Royal Flush Draw and I'm Confused

jzpiano14 · #1 10-21-2005, 09:55 AM

Villan is a pretty weak player, showdown a lot of strange hands, with bottom pair, K high, your average donk

Hero is in SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
200NL/6 max
Villan has 83.10
Hero has him covered

Villan Limps UTG, MP folds, CO raises to 4, Button Calls, Hero makes it 12 to go (Do you raise more here/or just call), Villan Calls, CO Calls, Button Calls

Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot 50

Hero leads for 20 (~1/2 the pot is my standard CB), Villan Calls, CO folds, Button folds

Turn K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Pot 90)

Hero leads for 20 (I wasn't sure what to do, do u pot it and put him all in?), Villan calls

River 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot 140)

Hero bets 26.10, all in, villan calls, Looking back at this, I'm thinking check/fold, though i hate it

Comments on all streets

etgryphon · #2 10-21-2005, 10:11 AM

PF:
I don't know. OOP with a limp, a raise and a call. I don't know if AQs is such a great hand. Depending on the table. You raised, not a great idea at all because now you have swelled the pot and your are going to have to put more money in than you need to.

Flop:

Rough. This is an OK flop. I might go for the check-raise allin, but that would only be with the call PF. If you are going to bet it, 1/2 pot is just not smart you have to do the 3/4 to FP bet which would be less because the raise PF gets you into too much trouble.

Turn:

$20?! What is the point? The second K makes you str8/flush outs nearly dead.

River:

I have no idea.

It looks like you didn't really have a plan going into this and didn't know what you wanted to see. You kind of skated around a bit and ended up putting all your money in a wacked out way. You needed to decide if you were going allin on the flop and play accordingly.

-Gryph

jkkkk · #3 10-21-2005, 10:13 AM

I like the pf isolation raise (if thats what it was) but I would raise slightly more to isolate.

If villain is a calling station, I don't like the lead here, check-call is preferrable, same with turn, check-fold river.

EMcWilliams · #4 10-21-2005, 10:17 AM

IF you are gonna raise PF, make it a real raise cause you are OOP and there are several limpers and a raise. Show that you mean business and take control of the hand. I do not like to play AQs or AKs unless I am in control of the hand. That said, hit the flop, c/c the turn, c/f the river. The 20 bet was pretty much useless.

etgryphon · #5 10-21-2005, 10:18 AM

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I like the pf isolation raise (if thats what it was) but I would raise slightly more to isolate.

If villain is a calling station, I don't like the lead here, check-call is preferrable, same with turn, check-fold river.

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Why the isolation raise? I don't play much 6max (if at all) so I could be out of the loop. I just think that someone is playing a KT with all those callers in 6max. If you really want to isolate you need a heck of a lot more than 12 if you are going to be playing OOP.

-Gryph

JFB37 · #6 10-21-2005, 10:19 AM

I don't like it. You are representing a King. That might push out a good player but it is unlikely a good player would have hung around until the river with just a T or an 8. If he is a donk, it isn't crazy to think he might have a King and he might have a T or an 8. I don't see the river push working very often at all.

As to the flop and the turn, the bets are a bit small, especially the turn. You were giving 5.5:1 on the turn. That is very rarely going to get anyone out and gives real long shots implied odds to call if they think you will pay off on the river. As it played out the turn bet actually worked as a semi-blocking bet but I wouldn't recommend it generally.

vulturesrow · #7 10-21-2005, 10:24 AM

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Villan is a pretty weak player, showdown a lot of strange hands, with bottom pair, K high, your average donk

Hero is in SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
200NL/6 max
Villan has 83.10
Hero has him covered

Villan Limps UTG, MP folds, CO raises to 4, Button Calls, Hero makes it 12 to go (Do you raise more here/or just call), Villan Calls, CO Calls, Button Calls

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I personally dont raise AQs from the blinds. However, as others have said, you need to put some muscle in that raise if you are going to do it.

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Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot 50

Hero leads for 20 (~1/2 the pot is my standard CB), Villan Calls, CO folds, Button folds

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3/4 - full pot bet here.

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Turn K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Pot 90)

Hero leads for 20 (I wasn't sure what to do, do u pot it and put him all in?), Villan calls

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Check/call

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River 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot 140)

Hero bets 26.10, all in, villan calls, Looking back at this, I'm thinking check/fold, though i hate it

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Check fold is right.

jzpiano14 · #8 10-21-2005, 10:25 AM

He showed his true donkeyness and had JTo, so are we saying c/c the turn, c/f??, put him all in? The river was just a weak attempt, I think the more important decision is obviously the turn.

jkkkk · #9 10-21-2005, 10:28 AM

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I like the pf isolation raise (if thats what it was) but I would raise slightly more to isolate.

If villain is a calling station, I don't like the lead here, check-call is preferrable, same with turn, check-fold river.

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Why the isolation raise? I don't play much 6max (if at all) so I could be out of the loop. I just think that someone is playing a KT with all those callers in 6max. If you really want to isolate you need a heck of a lot more than 12 if you are going to be playing OOP.

-Gryph

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Ok first of all, raising with AQs is bad OOP, unless you are isolating. If the player is 'weak' and has been showing down crap, I'm going to assume the player is more or less a calling station. Now we always want to isolate against these kinds of players with a good hand whether it will be oop or in position, so yes, like I said, I would raise more to isolate, around $16 or so.

We raise OOP to $16 because most players will see this raise OOP as massive strength unless they have cottoned on to the ATM at the table and why we might be raising.

etgryphon · #10 10-21-2005, 10:29 AM

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He showed his true donkeyness and had JTo, so are we saying c/c the turn, c/f??, put him all in? The river was just a weak attempt, I think the more important decision is obviously the turn.

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Wow. Bless him...Those are the plays I like to see.

-Gryph