Bad call/Bad Fold??

oreogod · #1 06-03-2005, 04:59 PM

Alright two hands. No reads on these guys. What is your play on these two hands. I called the river on the 1st one, anybody fold the turn or river at all on Hand 1?

Hand two, it may have been a bad fold, (never saw results, SB bet again on the river and UTG+1 folded).

Absolute Poker 5/10 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero....

Absolute Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero Folds.

papawawa · #2 06-03-2005, 05:21 PM

Hand 1: I'd three-bet the urn, what's he gonna call a raise with that beats you? AK would be re-raise, if he's really loose the only hand I can imagine him playing this way is A5, but its way more likely he's bluffing the five. I put him on a busted flush draw.
Hand 2: SB plays his hand strangly. i think you made a good fold here, as a set of fours or eights could be played this way. This makes sense if SB put you on a king; he's hoping your trips would raise his turn bet.

ckessel · #3 06-03-2005, 05:54 PM

Don't really like either fold. On the first one, lacking a read, the player could simply have waited for the turn to raise his Kxs or a worse king than yours. Maybe he has trips or a set, but I just call down.

Hand 2 is a bit tougher, but I still think you're ahead a good chunk of the time. UTG+1 acts like mid pockets or a flush draw. SB could be someone that put you on big broadways, but when the extra king hit thinks you missed it. I think I raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet. If no flush hits, I bet/call the river. If a diamond flush hits and the UTG+1 wakes up, I probably fold. A heart flush is less scary.

Willluck · #4 06-03-2005, 05:59 PM

on no. 2 I don't see how you call the flop but not the turn...when you are mathematically more likely to be ahead.

sammy_g · #5 06-03-2005, 06:03 PM

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on no. 2 I don't see how you call the flop but not the turn...when you are mathematically more likely to be ahead.

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He didn't call the flop. He bet the flop.

sammy_g · #6 06-03-2005, 06:06 PM

Hand 1: Hero calls.

Hand 2: I am really suspicious of the donkbet. If SB has a K, why doesn't he checkraise? You're getting better than 4:1 to call down, and it looks like UTG+1 is on a draw. I pay SB off unless a diamond hits.

Willluck · #7 06-03-2005, 06:08 PM

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on no. 2 I don't see how you call the flop but not the turn...when you are mathematically more likely to be ahead.

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He didn't call the flop. He bet the flop.

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well, same idea, he still shouldn't fold this turn or a safe river.

oreogod · #8 06-03-2005, 06:11 PM

Hand 1 I called the river.

Hand 2 is the only one I folded. I figured I was going to have to call 2 bets. And in reality he did bet the river as expected. But I never got to see his hand in the end.

S_Perry · #9 06-03-2005, 06:15 PM

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Hand 1: I'd three-bet the urn, what's he gonna call a raise with that beats you? AK would be re-raise, if he's really loose the only hand I can imagine him playing this way is A5, but its way more likely he's bluffing the five. I put him on a busted flush draw.

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That's dumb.

Chris Daddy Cool · #10 06-03-2005, 06:27 PM

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Hand 1: I'd three-bet the urn, what's he gonna call a raise with that beats you? AK would be re-raise, if he's really loose the only hand I can imagine him playing this way is A5, but its way more likely he's bluffing the five. I put him on a busted flush draw.

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everybody please ignore this comment.