2+2 vs. 2+2 rebluff hand

durron597 · #1 08-09-2005, 12:02 AM

Hero is a 2+2er that isn't me. Villian is colson10. Both colson and Hero know the other. Comments?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Hero (t14684)
SB (t9940)
BB (t22252)
UTG (t10340)
UTG+1 (colson10) (t16515)
MP1 (t3548)
MP2 (t11803)
MP3 (t1335)
CO (t5470)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 (colson10) calls t800, 4 folds, Hero raises to t1900, 2 folds, UTG+1 (colson10) calls t1100.

Flop: (t5000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
colson10 checks, Hero bets t2800, colson10 raises to t6800, Hero raises to t12784, colson10 folds.

Final Pot: t14600

TomHimself · #2 08-09-2005, 12:03 AM

why is hero raising so little preflop?

mts · #3 08-09-2005, 12:23 AM

i wish i could pull this off

EverettKings · #4 08-09-2005, 12:30 AM

meh....

You'd have to be VERY sure that he's bluffing to pull this one off. His pot odds are phenominal, and he'll keep going with most any piece of the board. I mean if you expect him to put a play on you, there are better ways to go about it.

I'd recommend to just muck this preflop instead of screwing around vs a potentially tricky 2+2er. There are easier fish to fry. If you insist on playing, I'd limp or make a bit bigger raise, say 2500 ish. You don't want to lay him fun odds to make a "what the hell" kind of call. That's bad when your hand is J8s.

On the flop I'd make a stronger initial stab (say 3500-4k) and let him have it if he still comes over the top of me. You don't want to give him more reasons to mess with you.

Basically you made a big complicated pot with a crap hand vs another good player. Every time you chose to proceed with this pot it was marginal at best. Pick better fights.

-Kings

P.S. Change "you" to "hero" since this wasnt your hand.

durron597 · #5 08-09-2005, 09:40 AM

Hm. Hero informed me that in fact colson did not know it was a 2+2er. Does that change anything?

colson10 · #6 08-09-2005, 04:27 PM

I missed this post. I had 33, and from the preflop and flop bets I was quite certain my opponent was weak. GH whoever it was. I can't remember if I was aware he was a 2p2er or not at the time of this hand, but I found out at some point.

colson10

raptor517 · #7 12-27-2005, 06:54 PM

hero knows colson is a solid player, hero repping AK. colson = has to fold anything that doesnt beat AK. hero = pwnd colson. holla