Need advice on collecting a very large debt.... - Page 3

fnord_too · #21 02-04-2005, 01:55 PM

Do you have an IOU? File suit. Also, you could tell him you are reporting him to the police. If I read this correctly, he ran a home game, then didn't pay out. If he is at all intelligent can afford to pay what he owes, he will understand that at the very least he will have to deal with a leagle sitution and that the potential down side is pretty large. (Really, it's kind of hard to live down getting a summons at work and getting hauled into court for running a poker game and stiffing a college kid. I mean here, you bought in for $2300, WON A LOT, and cashed out $1500. Even discounting the winnings, he flat out stole $800 in cash).

Getting violent would likely be effective, but that is not a good course of action. Bludgeon him with the law, he has to understand that he has a lot more to lose by not paying up than by just forking over the dough. If he claims he was cheated I would observe the following:
The game was at his house.
You bought in for $2300 and cashed out $1500
He's the one running a crooked shop.

Actually, the fact that he is not paying off may be enough to consider this running a game for profit. Really, he is not in a good position.

Socrates · #22 02-04-2005, 01:59 PM

Get the word out about what he did. Get it to his friends, to his wife, to other players around town. Eventually he'll get cut off from games and others will stop going to his. I think people will find it hard to believe that he was cheated playing heads up in his own house.

ChicagoTroy · #23 02-04-2005, 02:06 PM

These people have it all wrong.

It's easy to do $9K worth of damage to a rich guy's car. Make it clear one way or the other, he's being seperated from the money.

Have sex with his wife. Or his daughter. Or his wife, daughter, and parakeet.

Rent "Cape Fear," the one with DeNiro. Lots of good ideas in there.

Channel Christopher Walken. Walken gets paid.

Threaten to file a sex assault charge against him. "It was bad touch!" Nothing like a gay rape theme to get the checkbook out.

HTH.

mmcd · #24 02-04-2005, 03:05 PM

Options:

1) Force- Do you know anyone who would be well suited for this sort of thing? If you send the right the type of guy, a simple "Pay up or else" would probably be all it would take assuming the guy has the money to pay. Do you know any bookies? They could probably put you in contact with someone that would be more than happy to collect the debt for a percentage.

2) Blackmail- You say this guy is respected in the business community. Does he have a family, and if so do they know about his gambling problem? Also, if the police were aware that he was running a poker game AND cheating his players, I don't think that would be very good for his reputation. Also, if he's degenerate enough, the mere threat of spreading the word to other local poker players so that he can no longer get a game may be enough.

3) Theft- If you are anyone you know are willing/able to go this route, you could just take something of his that is of greater or equal value to the debt. Also, since you yourself have already been cheated here, on a moral level, I think you would be perfectly justified in cheating him in an even larger heads-up match (CASH buy-in of course, and make sure it is set up such that you will have no problem actually leaving with the money, i.e. have some large friends present)

4) General Threats- Whether you could do this credibly or not depends a lot on your "table image" with this guy, but you could simply inform him that if he doesn't pay up, you will do everything in your power to make his life a living hell.

The principle in this matter is much more important than actual 8k IMO. You MUST somehow collect this debt even if you must do reprehensible things. You need to send a message to him and everyone else that is aware of this matter that you are not someone to be fcuked with.

Quite frankly, the fact that this guy would even consider telling you to go [censored] yourself reflects poorly on you. I'm not saying you should be going around acting like Joe Pesci or whatever, but to some extent you do need to present yourself in such a way that people know that if they [censored] with you, bad things are likely to happen.

fsuplayer · #25 02-04-2005, 04:06 PM

you are either lying, or retarded.

Reef · #26 02-04-2005, 04:14 PM

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you are either lying, or retarded.

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only semi-retarded

David04 · #27 02-04-2005, 04:19 PM

Obviously you don't watch too much Tilt. Next time you see him at the table, dive across the table. If you don't see him at a table, catch him in an empty corridor and stomp on his kneecaps. If all else fails, toss him onto a slot machine from the top level of your local casino.

Zetack · #28 02-04-2005, 04:25 PM

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I played some rich fish in a heads up game for high stakes one night. This guy runs a home game that I had been to before and I had grown to trust him. I bought in for $2300 and starting it heads up at midnight NL with 5/10 blinds. By the end of the night it was 25/50 and I cashed out at $10,125. He was only able to pay back $1500 total because he had also lost in the ring game before the heads up and didnt have any more cash on him. He said he would have the money by a certain time and he owes me $8600. Now he says me and my friend cheated him and he won't pay me. What is the best course of action?

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You cheated him heads up? That's pretty impressive.

First of all ignore any of the advice that advocates illegal activity. Going to jail sucks. You loss isn't worth it.

Ask the man again.

Then call up his wife. Tell her about the gambling debt and ask her to pay it or to talk to him about paying it.

Ask the man again.

Call up his boss. Tell him about the gambling debt and ask the boss if he'll be willing to make good on the debt. If not ask him to talk to the fellow about paying it.

Ask the man again.

Call up the man's mother...

--Zetack

sk8rdude12000 · #29 02-04-2005, 05:41 PM

WOW why would u do that???

ChicagoTroy · #30 02-04-2005, 05:53 PM

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You need to send a message to him and everyone else that is aware of this matter that you are not someone to be fcuked with... Quite frankly, the fact that this guy would even consider telling you to go [censored] yourself reflects poorly on you.

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Bing. Part of the feminization of the American man is the idea that if somebody fcuks with you there's not much you can do about it. Being unable to handle this is almost a moral shortcoming. You won't be able to hand real problems if you can't handle this.

There's also the practical matter that if this guy doesn't have to pay you, others might decide they don't either. You really don't want to go down that road.

I don't really think this actually occurred, but if it happened to me, I would be getting paid.