Hand choices in SB vs. limper and raiser.

[exist]

I saw a player I considered a TAG make a couple of surprising calls of raises in the SB that I would have folded. Since his VPIP is more towards where I'd like mine to be I am wondering whether this is something I should try or if you just consider them to be weak calls.

2 of the situations are real hands. The other two are the same action but with the hands reversed. This is PP 10-20 6 max.

Part 1: 6 handed -- UTG limps (55/21/0.75), UTG+1 folds, CO raises (20/14/2.24), BT folds, action is on you in SB with A5s.

Part 2: 5 handed -- UTG limps (63/25/0.85), UTG+1 raises (48/12/0.94), BT folds, action is on you in SB with A5s.

Part 3: 6 handed -- UTG limps (55/21/0.75), UTG+1 folds, CO raises (20/14/2.24), BT folds, action is on you in SB with KJo.

Part 4: 5 handed -- UTG limps (63/25/0.85), UTG+1 raises (48/12/0.94), BT folds, action is on you in SB with KJo.

[exist]

dang, not a single reply. at least this got some votes though. it seems the only time people thought this was close was the scenario in part 3. this was one of the fictitcious hands. the real hands were in part 1 and part 4.

does it interest anybody that the SB here is a very well respected 2+2er who is able to crush these games?

[marand]

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dang, not a single reply. at least this got some votes though. it seems the only time people thought this was close was the scenario in part 3. this was one of the fictitcious hands. the real hands were in part 1 and part 4.

does it interest anybody that the SB here is a very well respected 2+2er who is able to crush these games?

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I think all are very easy folds since the raiser in all hands does not raise light.

Even if this respected 2+2er calls here I guess he can be a winner, but I am positive he would win more in the long run if he just folded! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[StellarWind]

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does it interest anybody that the SB here is a very well respected 2+2er who is able to crush these games?

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Perhaps he did not have the same reads as you. Don't draw hasty conclusions.

[exist]

i'm not sure what conclusions you think i made. when you say reads, do you mean the VPIP, PFR, and AF? most 2+2ers would say that you would need special reads to make those cold calls, and without those stats or some other type of read those CC's would normally be considered incorrect. yet here is strong player making them, so i'm just wondering what's going on.

any ideas why a good player would do this or if it is a reasonable choice?

[Catt]

He could very well be assuming that the apparent TAG is raising light to isolate the EP fish. He would expand his cold-completing range quite a bit in such circumstances. He also could have a read on the apparent TAG that while the TAG has tight but aggressive stats, that the TAG sucks post-flop. He might just find that such hands have proven profitable for him given his post-flop skills. There is a whole host of reasons why he might make these plays that does not rest solely on hand strength.