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#1
12-15-2005, 07:06 PM
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\"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
Have played with villian before. Seemed solid until this. (Party $22).
Small stack is all in next hand with blinds and this guy makes a call like this. PS, NOT a bad beat post, still got 1st place. Just blows my mind. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter UTG (t115) Hero (t3745) SB (t955) BB (t3185) Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3745 (All-In)</font>, SB calls t855 (All-In), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (t4900) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Turn: (t4900) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: (t4900) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t4900 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Kh 9d (one pair, sixes). SB has 5h 5s (two pair, sixes and fives). Outcome: Hero wins t2790. SB wins t2110. </font> 
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#3
12-15-2005, 07:47 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
Well, you're missing out on lots of opportunities to pickup chips via bullying if you fold this PF. Also, I don't think OP was asking...he was just demonstrating the lack of basic bubble knowledge by many out there playing 22's.
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#4
12-15-2005, 07:49 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
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I fold this PF based on BB's and UTG's stacks. I'd rather deal with him on my own terms and not in pushbot mode. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Any 2 are getting pushed here. This is a winfall for the hero.
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#5
12-15-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
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[ QUOTE ] I fold this PF based on BB's and UTG's stacks. I'd rather deal with him on my own terms and not in pushbot mode. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Any 2 are getting pushed here. This is a winfall for the hero. [/ QUOTE ] You may be correct, I just don't think a push here with level 6 blinds is that much of a winfall. Now if the stacks were different, I could see it. Granted, the BB is only calling with AA or maybe KK, but I'd much rather push any two on level 7 or higher on the bubble.
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#6
12-15-2005, 08:04 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
Bad push by hero. Why are you risking that many chips on that hand? You aren't a short stack buddy. Stealing is one thing, but why risk being called by the BB?
Calling with a pair certainly isn't the best, but your play isn't top notch either.
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#7
12-15-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
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Bad push by hero. Why are you risking that many chips on that hand? You aren't a short stack buddy. Stealing is one thing, but why risk being called by the BB? Calling with a pair certainly isn't the best, but your play isn't top notch either. [/ QUOTE ] Moral of the story: OP's claim in the subject line is spot on.
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#8
12-15-2005, 08:21 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I fold this PF based on BB's and UTG's stacks. I'd rather deal with him on my own terms and not in pushbot mode. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Any 2 are getting pushed here. This is a winfall for the hero. [/ QUOTE ] You may be correct, I just don't think a push here with level 6 blinds is that much of a winfall. Now if the stacks were different, I could see it. Granted, the BB is only calling with AA or maybe KK, but I'd much rather push any two on level 7 or higher on the bubble. [/ QUOTE ] I dont like pushing at all either. Id rather take a chance that the BB wont mess with me, and just make it 550-600. Most of the time they won't have the balls with this guy sitting there with 100 chips. Moving allin is very dangerous, you dont know what these guys are capable of.
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#9
12-15-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
It's always a bad push when you've got 18 BB(and the BB has 15BB). It's especially a bad push when you are against bad players. How does this hand turn out if it's BB who wakes up with 55 or KTo or A3s or any of the other hands they'll idiotically call with? Pretty freaking bad for you.
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#10
12-15-2005, 08:57 PM
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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
I agree, this is a bad push.
This is NOT proper bubble play - not at the the 22s. People just can't lay down hands at this level. If you do an ICM analysis of this and similar situations (including proper calling ranges for this level) you'll find that a push like this is very -$EV. You have to adjust your play based on how the other players WILL play, not how they SHOULD play.
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