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#1
03-19-2005, 09:10 PM
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Re: Big stacks put wayfare to the test
I think there are a lot of hands he could have that beat you..
the better kings AK, KJ, KQ any one of which could be called preflop at Party..A3 and 22 are also possible. KK is not likely. I think there are very few he could have that you beat. Why would a flush draw or K9 min reraise? 
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#2
03-19-2005, 09:16 PM
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Re: Big stacks put wayfare to the test
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I think there are a lot of hands he could have that beat you.. the better kings AK, KJ, KQ any one of which could be called preflop at Party..A3 and 22 are also possible. KK is not likely. I think there are very few he could have that you beat. Why would a flush draw or K9 min reraise? [/ QUOTE ] The reason why they minraise is because the board paired and because people don't like calling minraises on the turn because they think it's a monster. Here is how I look at it: Pot is $71, and it is $16 to me. I have position. There is a good chance this guy will bluff with a missed draw if that is in fact what happens on the river. I do not believe strong kings play this way at all. I just do not believe that AK or KQ or KJ will often make this play on this board. They will min raise the flop, or just bet it. One thing that I also didn't mention, but should have, is that he insta min raised me after insta calling the flop. Now, going back to the pot: If he misses his draw, there is a good chance I can get a large amount of money off of him by taking a long time to call the turn min raise. If a diamond comes off I can get away with no more money put into the pot. If he gives up on a bluff, like many people will when they min raise the turn and are called, I make huge expectation with this call. Out of position I would have folded.
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#3
03-19-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: Big stacks put wayfare to the test
I think checking behind the turn would be best. He might bet cards that you beat on the river and you won't have to pay that much to find out.
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#4
03-19-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: Big stacks put wayfare to the test
Check behind on the turn.
Bet/Raise the river.
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#5
03-19-2005, 09:00 PM
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Re: Big stacks put wayfare to the test
I would be inclined to think he has 22. He reads your flop bet as not having a flush draw, so he cold calls. Min turn raise smells like a monster to me. I'd fold to that, and seek to improve my read on him before getting all in with two pair on a paired board.
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#6
03-19-2005, 09:21 PM
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Results
He had A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG.
The turn play is debatable, but it is not a good idea to fold to any minraise unless you are full. There are so many possible hands on this board that will do that to you, taking away a $71 pot with a $16 raise. If you let people do that to you every time without the nuts, even in position, you are asking to get run over at 6-max. Realize that you have another street to play and that you have implied odds on the other guy while giving away very little yourself.
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#7
03-19-2005, 09:28 PM
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Re: Results
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He had A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. The turn play is debatable, but it is not a good idea to fold to any minraise unless you are full. There are so many possible hands on this board that will do that to you, taking away a $71 pot with a $16 raise. If you let people do that to you every time without the nuts, even in position, you are asking to get run over at 6-max. Realize that you have another street to play and that you have implied odds on the other guy while giving away very little yourself. [/ QUOTE ] Hey wayfare: If you didn't pair your sidecard, would you still have called the river? I assume you were folding to any [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] though?
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#8
03-19-2005, 09:54 PM
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Re: Results
Congrats on the win and on finding such a fishy opponent willing to pee away his entire stack on low pair
I still have trouble with this move being +EV in general. Unless you have a read, a check raise on the turn IMO is more often a sign of strength than a flat out bluff. Am I wrong here? I've slown down in these situations (usually with TPTK) because far too often the villian shows me a set (at least) and takes my stack.
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#9
03-19-2005, 10:18 PM
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Re: Results
Just wondering,
I know villain had A-2 here, but does anyone see him playing AA this way as well. The min-raise preflop is fishy, but a good amount of people min raise preflop with AA. Post-flop could also be how aces would play?
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