Stud STT: lots of questions

kschellenger · #1 09-29-2005, 10:25 PM

My read on seat 7 is that he is absolutely terrible. Sees 100% of 4th streets and is hyper aggressive.

My major concerns are, should I simply fold 4th, given my read and a dead king? Should I raise him at any point? Should I cap the river?

Tournament - 7 Card Stud High (15/30), Ante 2, Bring-In 5 (hand converter)

Seat 1: 938
Seat 2: 958
Seat 3: 1,089
Hero: 782
Seat 5: 792
Seat 6: 547
Seat 7: 567
Seat 8: 727

3rd Street - (1.07 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (2.73 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.87 BB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (4.87 BB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

River - (6.87 BB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___bets___raises

Total pot: (12.87 BB)

sexdrugsmoney · #2 09-30-2005, 04:19 AM

4th st play is crimminal IMHO.

If he's terrible and seeing 4th 100% of the time, and he doesn't raise with a king showing I'm assuming he's got either a three flush, two flush w/ big cards or small pair.

You've definately got to double raise on 4th to trap the other guy and take charge in the hand IMHO.

kschellenger · #3 09-30-2005, 03:55 PM

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4th st play is crimminal IMHO.

If he's terrible and seeing 4th 100% of the time, and he doesn't raise with a king showing I'm assuming he's got either a three flush, two flush w/ big cards or small pair.

You've definately got to double raise on 4th to trap the other guy and take charge in the hand IMHO.

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I agree. At the time, I was thinking I'd try to get more bets later on since it didn't seem to me that anyone had anything and no one respected this guy. But that is wrong.

How about the other streets?

beta1607 · #4 09-30-2005, 04:09 PM

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should I simply fold 4th

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Yes!!! You are a little ahead or WAYYYY behind.

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Should I raise him at any point

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No folding is much much better then calling and raising.

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Should I cap the river

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I would given the read but it is close.

Maulik · #5 09-30-2005, 05:08 PM

eek, 2 pair 8&3s are is a bad hand to see against a BIG PAIRED hand.

kschellenger · #6 09-30-2005, 05:11 PM

anybody like a raise on 4th and fold to a reraise?
that was my other thought because he is hyperaggressive.

beta1607 · #7 09-30-2005, 05:59 PM

No, all you are doing is bloating the pot.

Nobody who called the first bet is going to fold, especially the guy with open kings and nobody is going to reraise you even if they have trips because they can just call and raise you on a later street and completely own you.
There is absolutly no reason to ever play this hand past 4th.

sexdrugsmoney · #8 09-30-2005, 07:22 PM

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No, all you are doing is bloating the pot.

Nobody who called the first bet is going to fold, especially the guy with open kings and nobody is going to reraise you even if they have trips because they can just call and raise you on a later street and completely own you.
There is absolutly no reason to ever play this hand past 4th.

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beta c'mon, given the read he has on "mr 100% 4th street" and that all his cards are live, don't you think it's worth getting it heads up with this guy who in all probability only has a pair of kings now? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

bygmesterf · #9 10-01-2005, 01:37 AM

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beta c'mon, given the read he has on "mr 100% 4th street" and that all his cards are live, don't you think it's worth getting it heads up with this guy who in all probability only has a pair of kings now? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I only do that if I want to lose a big pot, instead of losing a small pot.

8833 is unplayable against xxKK in all circumstances. Double so against an agressive playing who will raise you when he makes Kings up, if he doesn't have them already.

To me 8833 vs xxKK is a 4 out draw, and worth just as much, as an gutshot draw like 2346 in this situation.

sexdrugsmoney · #10 10-01-2005, 02:27 AM

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To me 8833 vs xxKK is a 4 out draw, and worth just as much, as an gutshot draw like 2346 in this situation.

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Hey pal, you got somethin' against 2346? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]