[General Question] It would be WA/WB except...

[Xhad]

...It's not HU, and the other players are loose.

Example 1: PFR from unknown in EP, known loose passive calls, I 3bet from MP with AQs, folded to EP who caps, L-P calls, I call.

Flop: A84 rainbow nothing in my suit. Unknown bets, LP who could easily have K8o or even JTo calls, Hero...? (include plan for turn and river please)

Example 2: Raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button against one tricky player and two loose-passives call. Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Bet the flop after everyone checks, get called by everyone. Turn 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Checked to Hero who...?

EDIT: Small error in hand 1, meant to express that Villain2 could have middle pair.

[MrWookie47]

Hand 2 is an easy, easy bet. You have no reason to believe you're WB.

Hand 1 I call and reevaluate on the river. I have position. I plan to use it.

[bozlax]

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the other players are loose

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This has nothing to do with WA/WB.

Example 1: Hero either raises planning to call down if 3-bet or calls planning to raise the turn and bet the river.

Example 2: bets and keeps betting until played back at. This is nowhere near WA/WB, btw.

[PygmyHero]

Hi Xhad -

I'm really having trouble following the action in these hands, especially number 1. I'm not sure if these are hypothetical or not, but if they're real hands you played, please consider using the hand converter.

If you made them up, please consider editing them into a better format. Also, I would like to know the limit and how many players are at the table. And site, come to think of it, but that's not as important.

So I may be way off here from mis-reading the action, but:

Hand 1: I raise and plan to bet the turn and river when I am checked to. I fully expect to be called down by middle pair and have a busted backdoor draw fold the river. I will alter my plan if the board gets scary / I am shown aggression.

Hand 2: I bet again and probably call down a check raise as long as it's only coming from one player and everyone else folds. If I get c/r-ed and c/c-ed, or c/r-ed and 3-bet, I will fold.

Edited to add a link with more information about WA/WB.
WA/WB

[bravos1]

hand 1: call with plans to C/R the turn.
hand 2: Bet..... this is not a WA/WB scenario

[Xhad]

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the other players are loose

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This has nothing to do with WA/WB.

Example 1: Hero either raises planning to call down if 3-bet or calls planning to raise the turn and bet the river.

Example 2: bets and keeps betting until played back at. This is nowhere near WA/WB, btw.

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Example 1: Maybe this is my "B&M vs. passives" experience talking, but if EP raiser 3bets that flop, what am I beating?

Example 2: How do things change if the 4 was a 2 and if the flop was rainbow, if at all?

hand 1: calls and reevaluates on turn

hand 2: bets... ??