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Old 12-04-2005, 09:08 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default QQ pre-flop decisions...

I just began playing this evening, no reads...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($124.42)
Hero ($125.25)
UTG ($94)
MP ($98.50)
Button ($97.09)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $7, MP calls $5.

Flop: ($24.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $50</font>, Hero ????
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: QQ pre-flop decisions...

Pre-flop call is fine. Fold when Button pushes over MP1's raise.
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: QQ pre-flop decisions...

wait what happened? did button fold flop?
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: QQ pre-flop decisions...

I would probably fold pre-flop on this hand. You are going to be stuck between the raiser and the re-raiser. If you hit your hand you may not be able to extract as much money as you would like.

I am assuming that the button folded on the flop. You should probably do the same. I actually think that you may have the best hand here, but it will cost too much to find out.
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:37 PM
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I would probably fold pre-flop on this hand. You are going to be stuck between the raiser and the re-raiser. If you hit your hand you may not be able to extract as much money as you would like.

I am assuming that the button folded on the flop. You should probably do the same. I actually think that you may have the best hand here, but it will cost too much to find out.

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I absolutely do not think folding is an option. If we have to play it for set value we can...
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: QQ pre-flop decisions...

folding pf seems like a horrible idea - i like the leading of the flop and i would fold to the raise.
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:42 PM
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wait what happened? did button fold flop?

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No, but he's going to push.
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: QQ pre-flop decisions...

I tend to think you have MP beaten here. Most players will reraise it again preflop with AA/KK, especially after a third player gets involved. Furthermore, his big raise looks like it's intended to drive out overcards. I'd put him on JJ/TT with more frequency than AA/KK/44. I don't enjoy playing for my stack with a pair postflop, but in this instance I think it's correct (assuming Button folds).
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Old 12-04-2005, 10:09 PM
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I tend to think you have MP beaten here. Most players will reraise it again preflop with AA/KK, especially after a third player gets involved. Furthermore, his big raise looks like it's intended to drive out overcards. I'd put him on JJ/TT with more frequency than AA/KK/44. I don't enjoy playing for my stack with a pair postflop, but in this instance I think it's correct (assuming Button folds).

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If Button weren't involved, I think this'd be a good line of thinking. However, he's now coming over the top of a pre-flop cold-caller INTO a pre-flop reraiser. I really think that he has AA/KK &gt; 80% of the time here.
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Old 12-04-2005, 10:20 PM
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I'm confused, Hero is in BB, then we have MP and Button. Hero leads out on flop, MP raises, and action is back to hero before button acts?
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