need help with two 10/20 hands

joker122 · #1 11-08-2005, 08:49 PM

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero ?
Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

baronzeus · #2 11-08-2005, 08:51 PM

1. call

2. i just call down after the flop raise.

joker122 · #3 11-08-2005, 09:05 PM

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2. i just call down after the flop raise.

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since i 3bet, what's your plan?

baronzeus · #4 11-08-2005, 09:05 PM

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2. i just call down after the flop raise.

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since i 3bet, what's your plan?

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call down. the turn isnt pretty but i think you are still good enough.

Noodles · #5 11-08-2005, 09:13 PM

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call down. the turn isnt pretty but i think you are still good enough

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ok this must be where im having problems in SH play in hand 2 after the guy bets the turn,i thought to myself "fold" ok i suppose most will say he can be betting a draw or going bananas with less that 99 but is that usual for SH players?
i mean on this forum when it is HU the advice is almost always to call down ,no matter how much agression the guy has shown,
is very agressive play that common?
do you ever fold HU when the board is drawy?

#6 11-08-2005, 09:19 PM

FWIW, I would fold hand #2 on the turn.

luckyharr · #7 11-08-2005, 10:05 PM

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ok this must be where im having problems in SH play in hand 2 after the guy bets the turn,i thought to myself "fold" ok i suppose most will say he can be betting a draw or going bananas with less that 99 but is that usual for SH players?

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There are certainly passive players in these shorthanded games who will not go nuts with a draw or less than top pair. Without a read, the default aggressive players in these games could easily cap a flop with a draw out of position. In general, I start to find folds with my marginal hands when I get raised on turns.

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i mean on this forum when it is HU the advice is almost always to call down, no matter how much agression the guy has shown, is very agressive play that common? do you ever fold HU when the board is drawy?

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Wihtout a read, I rarely am folding hands heads up when I have middle pair or better in these games. I show much more respect to turn and river aggression than on the flop.

surfdoc · #8 11-08-2005, 09:35 PM

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1. call

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Explain here please. What are we beating.

To the OP, why are you raising this river?

baronzeus · #9 11-08-2005, 09:39 PM

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Explain here please. What are we beating.

To the OP, why are you raising this river?

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well, he hit two pair, so he's ahead of just about every 3betting ace except AT.

im not folding for 1 bet on the river in a 12BB pot against an unknown when I have 2 pair here.

joker122 · #10 11-08-2005, 11:13 PM

"To the OP, why are you raising this river? "

because i thought worse hands would call my raise...did you catch that i had 2pair?