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#1
12-01-2005, 09:52 PM
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A good example of a casual mistake.
Regardless of how this hand turned out, I think my turn bet is horrible. Who's with me?
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds. Turn: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>... - Jim 
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#2
12-01-2005, 09:55 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
I am not. Reasonable chnace of best hand with 6 outs to a non-flush str8 + 9 outs to 3rd or 4th nut flush.
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#4
12-01-2005, 10:34 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
Excellent post. At first glance this looks like a standard turn bet, one most of us would make. But you DO get raised a lot, and giving a free card is not a disaster at all. I like a check here.
But what if you check, UTG+2 bets, and MP3 raises? Don't you have to cold-call?
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#6
12-01-2005, 11:08 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
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Given the pot size, I think we can just let this one go. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're right. I'd forgotten we could be drawing dead to a made flush.
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#7
12-02-2005, 03:05 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
There are many correct calls to be made by your opponents here. You will be raised often and be in a difficult position. Against quality opposition, I probably check it. Against weak/loose players, I think a bet is better. You should be willing to fold to a raise.
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#8
12-02-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
Against most players in the party 15 anybody with any draw that got there raises on the flop. I'd have a really tough time seeing KJ or a a flush draw being in the mix.
That said, I also think that a better Q raises PF, or raises on the flop. If you're behind here, is probably to something like T9. I would assume that a 7 is good for sure (unless its a spade), a Q probably helps you and an 8 might. I like the bet, and I call a raise, and make my river decision based on the raiser and the river card. lf
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#9
12-02-2005, 04:21 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
Yes, a turn bet is no good. With 4 opponents to the turn you hand is no longer any good. Check and see what happens; I would fold to a single bet.
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#10
12-02-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: A good example of a casual mistake.
im usually betting this turn almost evey time, but there are compelling reasons in this thread for me to start checking it against several reasonably competent opponents
it seems that against this many guys and this board, the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] completes many possible draws or 2-pair type hands and its likely it just hit someone if they are not the type to peel the flop with anything and a free card is not horrible here
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