Top set how do I get away from it.

aba20 · #1 04-29-2005, 03:48 AM

I never raised once in this hand. At first I was so excited about all the action I was getting on top set but then I realized I might actually be behind. Where did I go wrong or is this one of those hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB

rmarotti · #2 04-29-2005, 03:49 AM

You don't.

Chris Dow · #3 04-29-2005, 03:53 AM

Yeah this is just a dumb donk hand. Unfortunately there isn't room for you to play well. Finding the call button at every opportunity looks ok, with the exception of the river but imo you can't rely on MP to 3-bet except a very small % of the time here, so I don't mind calling 2 cold the first time. I dunno if I can call 2 cold twice on the river though. I dunno why the hell I'd fold top set either though. It appears your opponents are really wild, and that leaves enough doubt for a pretty easy final crying call.

PokerBob · #4 04-29-2005, 07:21 AM

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I never raised once in this hand. At first I was so excited about all the action I was getting on top set but then I realized I might actually be behind. Where did I go wrong or is this one of those hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB

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3-bet the turn.

Chris Dow · #5 04-29-2005, 07:26 AM

I don't think 3 betting the turn helps our hero do anything but lose more when behind. He is representing the flush himself in a VERY strong way if he 3 bets the turn. He's going to shut them down assuming his hand is good. It's not so bad to let them be insane here and hope for the best.

PokerBob · #6 04-29-2005, 07:35 AM

Oh, yeah. 3-bet the flop too.

GetThere1Time · #7 04-29-2005, 07:56 AM

I don't know if I have the stones to 3-bet this turn, but I can see how its the best line.

-You could have the best hand.
-If someone caps you have 10 outs.
-It makes the river clearer.

Michael Emery · #8 04-29-2005, 09:29 AM

Simply one of those hands. You are absolutely chained to this hand.

Mike Emery

Octopus · #9 04-29-2005, 09:34 AM

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Oh, yeah. 3-bet the flop too.

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I don't know about the turn, but I'd 3-bet this flop just about every time.

PokerBob · #10 04-29-2005, 10:02 AM

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He is representing the flush himself in a VERY strong way if he 3 bets the turn. He's going to shut them down assuming his hand is good.

[/ QUOTE ] If he just calls the turn, the betting will likely stop anyway. If I'm hero, I don't want it to from what I've seen of the action thus far, plus I have 10 outs.

I think you are being paranoid. If MP had the flush, wouldn't he c/r the turn and trap the field for 2 bets. If button was on the flush draw, would he have capped the flop, casuing hero to call 2 cold? I think Hero's set is good here a vast majority of the time. 3-bet the turn and reevaluate.