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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
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If button was on the flush draw, would he have capped the flop, casuing hero to call 2 cold? [/ QUOTE ] I know this move has been argued against lately. But if I was the button and had AKs or AQs, I would probably cap here as well. My marginal reasons for doing so: 1. The flop bettor could be just on some sort of pair that I have overcards on, in which case I have 15 outs to beat his hand assuming that he does not improve. 2. Also it might be worth folding the BB. IF I am the button, a PP is in the range of hands that I would assign to the BB. If he folds I have a chance to win unimproved if the flop bettor was either betting a draw or over cards. 3. It somewhat disguises my hand. Also could give me more options on the turn. 4. If it is a mistake it really is not a huge one. 5. Capping draws really seems to irritate people. They remember it and seem to play with you more. As I am playing more and more with the same players, I think plays like this become more important. Become to some extent I do trend towards ABC poker, So I think it is important once in a while for a tightish player like myself, to do stuff like this occasionally. So in this situation, yeah maybe the play itself in this hand might not be optimal, but I think it can pay dividends in future hands. 6. Capping makes me feel like a man, and my girlfriend gets excited. Which makes this play +EV/ I don't do this every time. I probably would not if the flop bettor had some rockish qualities. |
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
You give excellent reasons for capping with the nut flush draw. I think we all agree that a variety of holdings could cap this flop. That said, I have top set and dammit I think it's good until you cap the turn, at which point I still have a slew of outs.
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
Not that this would change the hand, but why not 3-bet PF?
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
Ouch, that's pretty bad. Only thing I really don't like about this hand is calling the river cap.
Don't think you can fold anywhere though. |
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
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You give excellent reasons for capping with the nut flush draw. I think we all agree that a variety of holdings could cap this flop. That said, I have top set and dammit I think it's good until you cap the turn, at which point I still have a slew of outs. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you. I also think that the river call is somewhat read dependent. My base read is fold, but I would easily adjust it depending on the game texture and the two players. |
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
I like 3betting the flop, and going into the flop with control. Then, betting and reraising the flop. Turn and River you just have to call and pray.
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
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Not that this would change the hand, but why not 3-bet PF? [/ QUOTE ] I 3-bet preflop if I know the raiser is loose, or a tight position aware raiser. |
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
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I think Hero's set is good here a vast majority of the time. 3-bet the turn and reevaluate. [/ QUOTE ] I'm putting button on a way overplayed AA/KK/QQ, no idea what to put MP2 on since he stop'n'gos on the turn->river. -d |
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Re: Top set how do I get away from it.
Raise preflop, I would have led the flop and jammed from then on
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