Hated this, what should I have done (Stars 16 Turbo)

Melchiades · #1 10-23-2005, 12:42 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t1120)
MP1 (t1650)
MP2 (t1340)
MP3 (t1590)
CO (t1460)
Button (t1510)
SB (t1840)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1490)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, MP1 calls t60, 2 folds, CO calls t60, Button calls t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t510, UTG+1 calls t450, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button calls t450.

Flop: (t1665) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t330, UTG+1 calls t330, Button raises to t690, Hero folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t3015

Made the overraise preflop because I was in no way interested in a domino effect 5 way pot with QQ. And just picking up 300 wouldn't be to bad. Post flop, should I just check/fold? Made the small bet to make it look like I want action, waste of 330 obv.

Argh! I donked this bad I felt. Ugly, ugly hand. Maybe I should just push this preflop since I have no idea how to play it postflop postflop?

Oluwafemi · #2 10-23-2005, 12:46 AM

why did you reraise so much pf?

hockeyf · #3 10-23-2005, 12:47 AM

check/fold that flop and save your chips.

Oluwafemi · #4 10-23-2005, 12:53 AM

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check/fold that flop and save your chips.

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and on top of that either call pf with this many players or make a lower reraise. this is still only a $16 and players with big Aces and Kings will still come along for the ride. without being all-in, you lost more than you had to with Q Q on this hand, especially with [ 2 ] overcards on the flop.

lastchance · #5 10-23-2005, 12:57 AM

Check fold the flop. I only raise to t300-400 or so preflop as well. I don't call QQ in a $16.

Melchiades · #6 10-23-2005, 12:59 AM

Didn't think it was unlikely both were on mid pocket pairs. The big preflopraise is to take down the pot there and then or get it HU. If I raised to for example 200 and UTG+1 calls, I'm pretty sure the rest comes along as well. So then I get to play QQ in a 5 way pot OOP(basicly play it for setvalue), I don't want that.

I could just call as you said, but that seems a little bit too weak.

Melchiades · #7 10-23-2005, 01:04 AM

Check-fold is pretty obvious when I look at it now. Just in the heat of the moment I was a bit too worked up seeing that [censored] flop. Too stubborn and didn't want to make a huge raise only to check fold. If you only raise to 300-400 in this situation 90% of the time it will be a multiway pot. And if you should then check fold any flop with overcards I think I prefer pushing PF even if the blinds are micro. There is still possible to just increase my stck 20% right there and then.

bluefeet · #8 10-23-2005, 01:05 AM

OOP to the flop, with THIS many already in, I'd choose to lurk in the weeds here with my QQ. Call PF, check-raise (as much as AI if the action dictates so) a non-A/K flop...check/fold with the overs on board.

Over-reraising PF should have been more effective. But regardless, your reraise was too big. Reraising to t250ish will often get you HU...still understanding that the likely caller is holding a large Ace.

Even though a mid-PP is just as likely a caller of a PF reraise, your positional disadvantage - and now a HUGE pot, makes taking the lead on an over-flop very dicey.

Meh...the whole situation sucks really. 5 to the flop, you could be facing all kinds of draws, flopped two-pairs, etc.etc.etc.

Fold PF [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Oluwafemi · #9 10-23-2005, 01:07 AM

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Check fold the flop. I only raise to t300-400 or so preflop as well. I don't call QQ in a $16.

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maybe you don't but with 4 players already in the pot, i'm looking at how Q Q will fare postflop [this is a $16]. i've definitely called in this spot several times and avoided losing not only alot of chips, but my shirt in the process. i'm figuring that you're up against at least 2 players in this hand that have at least [1] of their cards as an Ace or a King. i'd rather play my Qs against one or two opponents. once you get over [3], that's when problems can happen. if 4 people are already in the pot pf for 60 and you look down Queens, i'm thinking who's suited, who has overcards, who has A K/A Q, and A A/K K?

splashpot · #10 10-23-2005, 01:07 AM

Raise to 250-300 preflop. And definately check/fold that flop. You gotta learn to let go of QQ. I'd check/fold KK on an A high flop against 2 opponents a lot of the time.