Called turn, folded river. What do you think?

#1 07-21-2005, 05:19 PM

Ever feel like you completely butchered a hand?

Comments on all streets welcome.

UTG+1 is 57/0/.62
MP1 is 20/5.71/1.8

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (12 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds...

I called the turn, expecting to see a SD but when that J came I didnt see any chance of winning.

sccrneo · #2 07-21-2005, 05:23 PM

Preflop and flop look good. Bet the turn. I would probably call a raise and fold the river unimproved. I dont know if this would be the best line for the river if the turn gets raised. But either way, I bet out the turn and see where I stand.

krimson · #3 07-21-2005, 05:25 PM

b/f the turn. You'd have defined your opponents hand better that way.

flopwell · #4 07-21-2005, 05:25 PM

Looks like villain has TPTK on flop given his stats-started with AJo. I think you were right to fold.

krimson · #5 07-21-2005, 05:32 PM

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Preflop and flop look good. Bet the turn. I would probably call a raise and fold the river unimproved. I dont know if this would be the best line for the river if the turn gets raised. But either way, I bet out the turn and see where I stand.

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I'd probably fold immediately to a turn raise. At best we're against 2 pair and have some counterfeit and K outs, but we're more likely drawing dead. If we assume this to be worth approximately 2-3 outs, then we do not have odds to call.

deception5 · #6 07-21-2005, 05:33 PM

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Looks like villain has TPTK on flop given his stats-started with AJo. I think you were right to fold.

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Or any T...

#7 07-21-2005, 06:03 PM

I would not have folded on the river with 13BB in the pot, even though I think you're beat 90% of the time to one or both villains (straight, flush, sets).

I think the turn is a tougher decision. I think I would have bet the turn to attempt to chase someone else out who might believe you have a straight or set at that point.

I think the preflop and flop were played exactly right with your strong KK at that point and a so-so flop.

And yes, I butcher hands all the time and know it.

Duerig · #8 07-21-2005, 06:09 PM

I would lead the turn. Consider folding if raised depending on reads.

xGoreDudex · #9 07-21-2005, 06:35 PM

I like your fold,
a) Anyone drawing to a flush has made it (assuming this is mirco it's not unreasonable to see people call all the way down on a gutshot)
b) Strong possibility of a T out there somewhere

c) Again, good fold in IMO.

"Grunching"
I'd pop pre-flop obviously
The three bet on this flop is pretty standard.
Only difference is I would have fired first at the turn, I'm not sure if this is really protecting our hand, but thats what I would do. The river is the craps all around. The J made anybody's straight and being a heart also made anybodys flush, I'd say my hand is crap and toss...

So nothing really different except I would have pop'd the turn, or if I played it like you would a 3-bet on the turn be crazy?

Jaran · #10 07-21-2005, 11:39 PM

I'm bet/folding the turn, but a c/f would be all right. I don't like the c/c.

-Jaran

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