Pair of Kings with an Ace on the Flop

shummie · #1 12-17-2004, 08:35 PM

This is my first hand post. I usually play 3/6 live. I just got poker tracker and started playing the .5/1 PP games to get myself situated. I feel like I'm playing very bad. I see a ton of mistakes in this hand, but I want to make sure I didn't miss any. Anyway, No reads cause I'm lazy, sorry.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds.

Turn: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

- Jason

Shillx · #2 12-17-2004, 08:38 PM

I think I'm check/folding the river. Calling after he raises seems crazy to me.

Shill

shummie · #3 12-17-2004, 08:45 PM

"calling after he raises... crazy..."

I know. I mean, he could only be calling with a weak A or a flush draw right? Maybe a straight draw. The A of clubs makes two of those hands! I figured he would have raised an Ace at some point, but even so.

I suck.

- Jason

SoCalPat · #4 12-17-2004, 08:47 PM

Against six other players with only five outs and a two-flush on the board, it would be hard to find an instance in which you could call a bet on the flop. Maybe if the BB bets and everyone calls, you'll be getting 13-1 on a call -- and even then you're 44-3, or more than 14-1 to catch.

With a rainbow board, you're getting 44-5, or just under 9-1. Given how many players saw the flop, your justification for calling a flop bet is significantly lower.

But with this board, I check-fold here probably 99 percent of the time.

NateDog · #5 12-17-2004, 08:48 PM

Check/fold the river

SoCalPat · #6 12-17-2004, 08:50 PM

I hope those of you advocating to check/fold the river are also admitting that betting out the flop here in this spot against six players is not a wise move on any level.

NateDog · #7 12-17-2004, 08:55 PM

Pat, I see your point. Would you check/call or check/raise the flop?

shummie · #8 12-17-2004, 08:57 PM

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I hope those of you advocating to check/fold the river are also admitting that betting out the flop here in this spot against six players is not a wise move on any level.

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It's not a good move. There's an overcard out there and a flush pos. I'm beat. I'm tilting. What do I want on the turn besides a non-club King? Club or no club, this turn is likely to get raised... I was way off today. My thought on the turn was, "A Q! Great! Now I have a gutshot draw too!"

Maybe tomorrow, I'll post some thought provoking hands instead of these self-bashing ones. My only defense is that I had just played some short handed tables the day before and that over aggression was still in my blood.

- Jason

Shillx · #9 12-17-2004, 08:58 PM

Yeah I'm not arguing that at all. The EV of the flop bet is a lot closer to zero then the river bet/call is. That is why I focused on the river play. The flop bet really isn't that bad but not one I'd make.

Shill

milesdyson · #10 12-17-2004, 09:00 PM

Nate:

Check/raise this flop???