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Old 10-11-2005, 01:22 PM
deception5 deception5 is offline
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

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I think we have to take account that AKo will be more likely than AQo since villain will more often 3-bet with AQK. I think the same goes for AA-QQ vs 99-TT.

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It may be slightly more likely but there are also 12 combinations of AK versus 16 of AQ and only 3 combinations of KK.

Still even if our equity is only 30%:
3 times we go to showdown and gain 12.5SB = +36.5SB
7 times we go to showdown and lose 5SB = -35SB

If our equity is 40% then it's:
4 times we go to showdown and gain 12.5SB = +50SB
6 times we go to showdown and lose 5SB = -30SB

This of course assumes we are able to get the same amount in the pot when ahead and behind.
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

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This of course assumes we are able to get the same amount in the pot when ahead and behind.

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Which is almost certainly not true unless he is a dope who never checks weak hands on the river
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

Like most others said, capping the flop makes decision making easier in the rest of the hand.
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

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Which is almost certainly not true unless he is a dope who never checks weak hands on the river

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But it is true if we can bet/fold the river.
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

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But it is true if we can bet/fold the river.

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Which may cause hands like AQ to fold.
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

While I agree with everyone's preflop cap and lead out thoughts, what would be a good line to take considering that hero did not cap preflop. checkraise the flop? check/call the whole way? Any thoughts?
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

I cap preflop, then bet/fold the flop. It gets tricky when he calls the flop bet. In that case, i like to bet the turn and check/fold the river.
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:13 PM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

Call down if you think AQ is in his range, fold if you don't. Not much good advice to give in a situation like this.
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

For those saying cap preflop, here's what pokerstove says:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 50.1836 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { JJ }
Hand 2: 49.8164 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }

add in the fact we should discount AQ slightly and maybe 99, plus the fact we're out of position, I don't think a cap looks good. Making the hand easier to play isn't a good enough reason.
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: JJ against TAG\'s 3 bet

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For those saying cap preflop, here's what pokerstove says:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 50.1836 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { JJ }
Hand 2: 49.8164 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }

add in the fact we should discount AQ slightly and maybe 99, plus the fact we're out of position, I don't think a cap looks good. Making the hand easier to play isn't a good enough reason.

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It can change things dramatically if we can get a better hand to fold if an overcard comes to his PP.
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