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Old 08-22-2005, 09:24 AM
jrz1972 jrz1972 is offline
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My line is to get to showdown for 2.5bb, only 1sb more than your line, and protect against getting bluffed off the best hand by an aggressive player,

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There are very few .5/1 players who are capable of pulling a bluff-checkraise. If villain were tricky enough to pull off a play like that, you would probably know it. In that case a passive line is fine, but against an unknown you can easily dump this to a c/r.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:40 AM
imported_The Vibesman imported_The Vibesman is offline
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My line is to get to showdown for 2.5bb, only 1sb more than your line, and protect against getting bluffed off the best hand by an aggressive player,

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There are very few .5/1 players who are capable of pulling a bluff-checkraise. If villain were tricky enough to pull off a play like that, you would probably know it. In that case a passive line is fine, but against an unknown you can easily dump this to a c/r.

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True, this probably isn't much of a concern. But what about if we are ahead, villian will almost always fold a worse hand on the turn when you raise the flop, limiting your win to 1bb after the flop? He will generally know he's ahead, or know he's behind. What do you think is better, protecting against AK sucking out on you on the river, or keeping a worse hand bluffing at you? I don't know myself.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:21 AM
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Well I raised him, he called, and then promtly CRed me on the turn, at which point I chucked it.

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This is what I would have done as well.

I will sometimes take Fuji's call-and-bet-if-checked-to line, especially if villain is aggressive or tricky. On this particular hand, though, raising the flop and betting the turn probably saved you a SB. Either approach is reasonable.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:21 AM
AussieBattler AussieBattler is offline
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs even more...

for me that C/R on turn = he has you beat. nice fold.
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:07 AM
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i like calling calling calling and betting if the villain checks at any point. unless the villain is a super fancy .5/1 player s/hes not going to check raise you if you take this line often enough for me to even care.
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Old 08-22-2005, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs even more...

(in the dark, criticism welcome)

Hard to answer without reads/stats, but I'll look at this like I just jumped on the table.

Hero should raise the flop. Without reads it is the only way to try and get an idea of MP1's holding. Hopefully, he's holding AK and will fold to any aggression, but at least his response will give a clearer idea what is up.
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