Christmas 2005

[CollinEstes]

Over the past week or so I have heard ALOT on talk radio and TV news achors commentating on Christmas. When did this become such a hot social issue in America. O'Rielly is saying that people are attacking Christmas, the local 5:00 news show on the radio in Houston the guy was complaining about a 3rd grade choir changing the words from "we wish you a merry Christmas" to "Have a swinging holiday", and he was all upset about it. Who the hell cares. As a person who celebrates Christmas I just don't get it. And the way that Christmas is portrayed in the media I don't blame any non-christians for thinking it is crazy.

So question for discussion is what do you guys think about all the commentary on Christmas the year, or what do you guys think about Christmas in general.

[tomdemaine]

Try not to think about what's really important, here's something pointless for you all to get worked up about. We can't even celebrate christmas anymore.

:Conform consume obey:

[superleeds]

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So question for discussion is what do you guys think about all the commentary on Christmas the year

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It's easier than discussing important stuff. Seems par for the 'liberal media' course

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What do you guys think about Christmas in general.

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I like it. Have a good one all [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

To continuously and rigorously be encouraged or forced by local, state, and federal governments to remove any mention of the word God, Jesus, prayer, any Christian symbols, Christmas, even red poinsettais, etc, etc etc, from any and all facets of the community, and not just during Christmas season but year round makes many people feel threatened.

This threatening feeling is not much unlike how some lefties feel about the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act provides some necessary tools for preventing future 9/11's, but some people feel it takes us down a road which leads us to a police state. It is utterly ridiculous to say we live in a police state at this very moment, but people opposed to the Patriot Act still make that leap to demonstrate an example.

Many Christians feel that the never ending "war" on their symbols, traditions, words, and actions, are leading us down a road where Christianity is outright abolished - something that is certainly threatening given human history's proclivity to do such things and enforce them violently. What isn't helping is the fact that secularist organizations that push such fronts, such as the ACLU, tend to mostly target the traditional Christian elements of society, and seemingly would never "come after" Muslims or Jews.

[CollinEstes]

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To continuously and rigorously be encouraged or forced by local, state, and federal governments to remove any mention of the word God, Jesus, prayer, any Christian symbols, Christmas, even red poinsettais, etc, etc etc, from any and all facets of the community, and not just during Christmas season but year round makes many people feel threatened.

This threatening feeling is not much unlike how some lefties feel about the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act provides some necessary tools for preventing future 9/11's, but some people feel it takes us down a road which leads us to a police state. It is utterly ridiculous to say we live in a police state at this very moment, but people opposed to the Patriot Act still make that leap to demonstrate an example.

Many Christians feel that the never ending "war" on their symbols, traditions, words, and actions, are leading us down a road where Christianity is outright abolished - something that is certainly threatening given human history's proclivity to do such things and enforce them violently. What isn't helping is the fact that secularist organizations that push such fronts, such as the ACLU, tend to mostly target the traditional Christian elements of society, and seemingly would never "come after" Muslims or Jews.

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Yeah but Christmas is everywhere. I mean stores put out Christmas decorations and start advertising for it long before we even have Thansgiving. So what I don't understand how someone can feel so threatened by something so trivial as changing to the wording in a 4th grade choir recital or how Mr. O'Rielly could be so worked up over a stupid report the Daily Show did last year on Christmas. He actually dug up footage from last season to make his point about Christmas being under "attack". That is crazy.

It isn't the "attack" on the commercialism of the season. It is specifically the "attack" on the religion, Christianity.

You are half way there, though. I can understand how it seems crazy to you. Not unlike how calling the United States a police state because of the Patriot Act would be crazy. Its about "heading down that road." That was essentially my point. I suppose you would have to first be a Christian to grasp the sense of urgency many of them so obviously feel.

[CollinEstes]

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It isn't the "attack" on the commercialism of the season. It is specifically the "attack" on the religion, Christianity.

You are half way there, though. I can understand how it seems crazy to you. Not unlike how calling the United States a police state because of the Patriot Act would be crazy. Its about "heading down that road." That was essentially my point. I suppose you would have to first be a Christian to grasp the sense of urgency many of them so obviously feel.

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I am a Christian from Texas who votes 99.9% republician. I consider myself a conservative but I think people are so dam overly sensitive too everything, both sides. I don't have the feeling that our media or social climate needs to reflect every single one one of my personal values, but rather of our entire nation. I'm not saying they should take Bibles out of court room or anything but I don't think any person or state or whoever is attacking christianity. I mean wouldn't you say Christians hold the majority of elected offices in the country? or am I misinformed.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I think people are so dam overly sensitive to everything, both sides.

Agreed

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

what do you guys think about Christmas in general.

I love it. Especially the commercialism (note: NOT sarcasm). While I'm not religious, I am an unapologetic capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Has anyone had their right to worship whatever god they want infringed upon in this country, ever? NO