JJ with 2 Overcards

#1 12-10-2005, 01:07 AM

No other reads except that UTG has been playing loose and has been losing several showdowns.

The two overcards scared me in this situation.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in White:
 UTG lost $8 (showed hand) [ 3s Ac ] (a pair of aces)
Hero bet $8, collected $18.25, net +$10.25 (showed hand) [Jh Js] (three of a kind, jacks)

Jinx · #2 12-10-2005, 01:07 AM

Was your bet button broken?

#3 12-10-2005, 01:46 AM

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Was your bet button broken?

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hemstock · #4 12-10-2005, 01:08 AM

Don't slowplay. You can't go all-in in limit. When are you gonna make your money? And don't give free cards.

#5 12-10-2005, 01:13 AM

No comprendo.

Spicymoose · #6 12-10-2005, 01:26 AM

Horrible. Bet the flop. No reason to slowplay. There are draws out there and you need them to call. If you get raised, all the better, you can 3-bet. Again, bet the damn turn. You are last to act, and have the best hand over 80% of the time. Given that you played so damn passive, you induced extra action on the river. Cap it up! You have them crushed almost always. TQ, KK, AA have you beat, that is it. I doubt anyone has those.

#7 12-10-2005, 01:30 AM

those overcards are only dangerous if someone has a miracle KK or AA and plays like a total idiot.

#8 12-10-2005, 03:06 AM

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Horrible. Bet the flop. No reason to slowplay. There are draws out there and you need them to call. If you get raised, all the better, you can 3-bet. Again, bet the damn turn. You are last to act, and have the best hand over 80% of the time. Given that you played so damn passive, you induced extra action on the river. Cap it up! You have them crushed almost always. TQ, KK, AA have you beat, that is it. I doubt anyone has those.

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I was trying to get more action into the hand. I am new to shorthand, but I enjoy all of your responses with harsh criticism. It will help me to remember for the next time.

MicroBob · #9 12-10-2005, 04:43 AM

Everyone is quite opinionated on these forums. The criticism you are receiving is not especially harsh so try not to take it the wrong way. Learn from it and get better.

All of the other posters are correct here.

It almost feels like you are trying to play a couple of your hands like it were a no-limit slow-play at the final-table of a televised tournament.

This is limit poker and things change dramatically strategy-wise.

As I mentioned in your other hand....you very much need to read SSHE. Based on your ideas of extracting more value by checking I'm doubting that you have read it.

Keep reading and learning. It's obvious that you are trying to do what you think is right and are just attempting to extract value and not scare your opponents away...but you really need to lose this line of thinking.

In this hand...your opponents could have had a wide range of hands that they would have felt compelled to call you down with.
Additionally, since you raised pre-flop they could have every right to be suspicious of your flop-bet as being just a general continuation bet.
You raised pre-flop...your opponents are expecting you to bet anyway and won't be surprised when you do. They'll think that you might have AK or 66 or any other possible holding. They have no idea that you have a monster.

Now that you got to the river...you missed your chance to actually extract the value you were attempting to get. There is zero reason to not cap the river here. The chances of you losing this hand is extremely remote and calling down is missing a bet.

SUfan5 · #10 12-10-2005, 01:36 AM

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The two overcards scared me in this situation.

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You're scared of those? There's absolutely no reason to be scared. Bet the crap out of this hand. Maybe they can scare you if you didn't hit the set of jacks, but it's tough for me to put your opponents on a hand that beats you. Go nuts.