(LC) Plauged by a play I don't understand....

Snarf · #1 12-20-2005, 10:13 PM

I've been seeing this all the time lately...Can someone explain this to me?

(No sarcasm - I actually want to know the thought process behind it...IF there is one...)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) converter

Button (t4045)
SB (t4380)
Hero (t6575)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to t1800, SB calls t1200.

Flop: (t3400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1800, SB raises to t2530, Hero calls t730.

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I *KNOW* the guy outplayed me with his paired King-in-the-hole POST-flop...
...felt priced into calling his all-in...
(Should I fold there?..)

I only ever will make this play against a villain who I think will check/fold the flop *IF* he calls the raise PF and *IF* he doesn't pair.

I know that I get aggressive late in tourneys and the guy thinks to double up if he hits...but he loses half his stack when he doesn't...

So....
1/3 of the time he doubles up...
2/3 of the time he loses half his stack...

In all honesty - I want to know what these fish/weak-tight players are thinking.

Edit: I'm gonna start check/folding King high flops in these spots.

#2 12-20-2005, 10:16 PM

Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

Snarf · #3 12-20-2005, 10:39 PM

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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

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Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME.

#4 12-21-2005, 03:41 PM

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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

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Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME.

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if you thought his actions shouted weakness, why not push? if you think you are ahead, get ur chips in ahead. instead, you waited until you were behind??

Snarf · #5 12-22-2005, 12:24 AM

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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

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Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME.

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if you thought his actions shouted weakness, why not push? if you think you are ahead, get ur chips in ahead. instead, you waited until you were behind??

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Well heres my thinking....

Ace high is best pre-flop at least 80% (if not more like 95%) of time here in my experience (where I play anyways.)

I figure by raising half his stack I'm sending the message - we're playing for all your chips or for nothing...

Instead I keep getting flat called in this spot...and I'm totally lost as to what the hell they have now...pretty sure I still got the best hand and all...but the flop play becomes an extremely tough spot...

So I definitely see the reasoning behind all-in'ing it pre=flop. If they want to call with a hand I'm ahead of - God bless him. If they trapped me - that happens too sometimes.

trainslayer · #6 12-20-2005, 10:43 PM

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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

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So you think Hero is actually the SB and not the BB?

I don't have a response for the hand tho. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I'da checked behind a 'spect.

#7 12-20-2005, 10:49 PM

The big blind is t600, he has 4000 behind, if your going to raise him, put him all in.

Snarf · #8 12-20-2005, 10:56 PM

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The big blind is t600, he has 4000 behind, if your going to raise him, put him all in.

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that could easily be the real lesson here....

Incidently I've done the same move deeper stacked w/re-raises (and better Aces) and still gotten called from King highs before..

no comments on the even possible fishie thinking?

#9 12-20-2005, 11:04 PM

well, reraising someone is different than what your doing here.

His limp says that he wants to see a flop as cheap as possible (or he is trapping with AK,AA-QQ), by pushing your making it as expensive as possible. Obviously he doesn't want this and will fold. In my limited use of this play the SB has folded about 80% of the time.

#10 12-21-2005, 12:48 PM

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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.

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So you think Hero is actually the SB and not the BB?

I don't have a response for the hand tho. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I'da checked behind a 'spect.

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Yeah, so umm... I'm a jackass, I clearly misplayed this post. To OP, you weren't outplayed preflop, but I would've either checked behind and c/f the flop or put him all in preflop.