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Old 11-22-2005, 08:16 PM
avisco01 avisco01 is offline
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Default Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Did I play this incorrectly? Would anyone have played this differently? Table was toward the tight side, no particular reads on opponents:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Cap that chit on the turn and look to put in 1-2 bets on the river. On the flop 3-betting is also an option although it would be better with a loose passive read on the blinds.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

I'd three-bet the flop. You only lose button a small portion of the time when he'd call for two but fold for three, and besides doing so occassionally buys you a free card, if desired, and may occassionally permit you to win when you hit a Q or J but miss your draws. Same thing for a 3-bet folding out the bettor, as will happen on occassion. But mostly just for equity's sake.

Rest looks fine, once the flush gets there and the board pairs, BB has no fear. Maybe another bet should go in, in which case I favor capping the turn and calling a river bet or betting yourself, instead of raising the river since you open yourself to a three bet and get another bet out of trips tens no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that might fold the river if a 4th club hits. Small concern though.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Would folding the flop ever be correct in this situation? I do have to call two bets, but I have just too many outs right?
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

What the [censored]?
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

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Would folding the flop ever be correct in this situation?

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no. Even if bb flips over 99 you still should call.

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I do have to call two bets, but I have just too many outs right?

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yes.


It sounds like you lost to T9 or some other full house, but don't worry you played the hand fine. If anything not enough bets went in.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:48 PM
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id fold to a 3 bet on the turn. you are facing a serious full house which you are drawing dead to. why do you think he raised the flop&gt;?
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:57 PM
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id fold to a 3 bet on the turn.

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folding sucks. you are going to be 3-bet on the turn a ton by lone Ts to make folding correct.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

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id fold to a 3 bet on the turn.

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folding sucks. you are going to be 3-bet on the turn a ton by lone Ts to make folding correct.

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Hobbs, he's a donkey, get it?
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:02 PM
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id fold to a 3 bet on the turn.

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folding sucks. you are going to be 3-bet on the turn a ton by lone Ts to make folding correct.

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Hobbs, he's a donkey, get it?

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ahhhhhhh..... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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