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Old 07-16-2005, 12:13 AM
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Cashman has been a terrific GM; his record speaks for itself. But he (Steinbrenner?) has made mistakes with the pitching staff the last year or so. Leiber should indeed have been resigned. They took a giant chance taking him on as a rehab project in the first place and once he started pitching creditably they let him go.

The Weaver/Brown trade doesn't look very good either. Weaver will never be a big star but he ceratainly could have been a serviceable 3rd or 4th starting pitcher, as he is now with the Dodgers. Why pick up a 39-year old pitcher?

Ditto with the Randy Johnson trade. Vasquez may not be quite as good as they hoped he would be, but he will win another 100 games in his career, a lot more than Randy will. Halsey was good enough to be called up mid-season last year and may also be decent.

Likewise, the Loaiza trade looks bad. Contreras, according to Torre, had "electrifying" stuff.

I never understood why they didn't start El Duque in the Boston series. He was throwing and they judged Brown was the better risk. Feh. He was by far their best pitcher in the second half last year.

The team simply doesn't have good enough starting pitching to make the post-season.

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your usually right on, but i am skeptical of cashman being a "great gm". sure, george has a ton of input on who gets signed and traded for, but you cant absolve cashman of the bad ones and give him credit for the good ones. a great GM to me is someone who finds value and/or makes schrewd deals. those two qualities dont invoke thoughts of cashman.

im sure you know more than i do, but off the top of me head i can think of:

pavano (bad)
womack (bad)
giambi (bad)
RJ (bad)
brown (bad)
felix rodriguez (bad)
steve karsay (bad)
aaron boone (bad) (please spare me the LCS crap)
gary sheffield (good)
matsui (good)
contreaes (no way that can be called a success)
el duque (good)
clemens (good)
mussina (good)
leiber (walking, bad)
brousious (of course a coup)
knobloauch (?????)
arod (good)

anyone else got more?
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:14 AM
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seriously, what can you do when 3 of your starting 5 pitchers and first replacement get injured?

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spend more money
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:21 AM
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btw, i want to point out for those whio didnt realize it, but when adam stern singled (for his first MLB base hit) derek jeter rolled the ball into/towards the sox dugout without anyone having to ask for it.

class act that kid. calm eyes also [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I was just going to post about this. As much as I dislike Jeter, gotta acknowledge that he is a class act. That bastard. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:22 AM
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I think your view of Giambi is wrong sublime. no one was complaining here in new york when he hit 40+ HRs in his first 2 seasons. Sure, he got caught roiding and it was all down hill from there, but at the time, it definately wasnt a bad move. (Just for reference, Giambi's contract should have been voided when he was caught, then the deal would have been [censored] beautiful.)

and now that he has almost gotten rid of that "a walk is as good as a hit" mindset, he's almost back to hitting .300. and if mattingly would teach him to hit the ball the other way....
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:23 AM
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So apparently Sturtze isn't getting the ball Sunday. It'll be......(drum roll)

Aaron Small or Kevin Brown??

Yank fans better pray that Big Eunuch shows up on Saturday.
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:31 AM
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well, if only the yankees had stanton the score would have been 18-1....

Mike Stanton balked home the winning run in the bottom of the 10th inning Friday night, giving the Milwaukee Brewers a 4-3 victory over the slumping Washington Nationals before a rare sellout crowd at Miller Park.
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:35 AM
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and now that he has almost gotten rid of that "a walk is as good as a hit" mindset, he's almost back to hitting .300.

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Yeah, that was his problem early in the season. He walked too much. He almost never walked from 99-03.
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:56 AM
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Leiber should indeed have been resigned

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Have you taken a look at Lieber's numbers lately?

5.09 ERA, 128 hits in 111 IP, 23 home runs allowed in 19 starts. How do you think he'd do in the AL East? Pavano > Lieber.
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Old 07-16-2005, 12:56 AM
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So apparently Sturtze isn't getting the ball Sunday. It'll be......(drum roll)

Aaron Small or Kevin Brown??

Yank fans better pray that Big Eunuch shows up on Saturday.

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If Kevin Brown goes on Sunday then that would be awesome.
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Old 07-16-2005, 01:01 AM
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a walk IS as good as a hit (a single anyways).

actually, it is probably better due to the amount of pitches (on average) it takes to draw one.
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