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Old 12-16-2005, 03:17 PM
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Default Flopped Q set, critique please

I have been doing ok at limit HE, and this was in my first venture into NL with real money. SB, UTG are LAG, few hands with BB. Check-raise on river caught me by surprise. How was my play overall?

ABSOLUTE: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.50/$1 -(5-handed)

SB ($9.50 in chips)
BB ($76.05 in chips)
UTG ($54.42 in chips)
CO -HERO ($46.58 in chips)
BUTTON ($38 in chips)

SB- Posts small blind $0.50
BB - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
UTG - Calls $1
HERO - Raises $2 to $2
BUTTON - Folds
SB - Calls $1.50
BB - Calls $1
MP - Calls $1
POT $8
*** FLOP *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
SB - Checks
BB - Checks
UTG - Checks
HERO - Bets $4
BUTTON - Folds, SB - Folds
BB - Calls $4
UTG - Calls $4
POT $20
*** TURN *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
BB - Checks
UTG - Checks
HERO - Bets $5
BB - Calls $5
UTG - Calls $5
POT $35
*** RIVER *** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
BB - Checks
UTG - Checks
HERO - Bets $10
BB - Raises $20 to $20
UTG - Calls $20
HERO - Calls $10
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:20 PM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

Bet more on all streets, 5 preflop, pot flop, pot turn, river as much as you think they'll call
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

raise more preflop - make it at least $4

bet more on the flop
bet more on the turn
i don't mind pushing the river
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

If you lost this hand it's because your bet sizes are too small at every point. Raise this to $4 preflop, bet full pot on the flop (BOTH straight and flush draw out there), push the turn.

Looks like JT got there on you on the river, you obviously have to call though. If I were him I would have pushed.
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:23 PM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

Pre-flop -- Don't min-raise. Make it 3or 4xbb plus 1 bb per limper so $4-5 should be your play.
Flop - Pot-sized bet is what you want to do here, especially since it is multi-way. You just gave every draw in the world correct odds to call.
Turn - Bet more (see above)
River - You missed your chance at redemption. All-in.

As soon as you flopped top set your plan should have been "How do I get all the money in the middle". Underbetting because you have a monster and are afraid everyone will fold only makes it correct for draws to call you down, hit and suck you dry. Don't play your monsters any differently than AK or TPGK.
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

What they said. You played this like a limit player. You're going to lose a lot of money this way.
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

Yes I did, (because limit is what I've been playing) and yes I did lose a lot of money. BB indeed had TJ and I took a beating. Got a LOT to learn.
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Old 12-16-2005, 04:07 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
Yes I did, (because limit is what I've been playing) and yes I did lose a lot of money. BB indeed had TJ and I took a beating. Got a LOT to learn.

[/ QUOTE ]

You could have saved it all by just open pushing the turn. The preflop and flop bets are wrong but since the turn was a total brick you could have just pushed and taken a huge pot home.
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Old 12-16-2005, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Q set, critique please

All the advice is appreciated. I'll have to read more and also play NL at lower levels. Dropping $31 on one hand didn't bankrupt me, but it was a shock. (I know, less than peanuts for many on this forum.)

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finally read the forum FAQ - With my bankroll, I had no business being in this game in the first place.
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