Why is only Hold Em NL? - Page 2

AaronBrown · #11 12-09-2005, 07:19 PM

In a good no-limit game you should get a lot of information about your hand before the first betting round (or, as others have said, starting hands should not be too close in value) and you should have a lot of information about other players' hands before showdown. In the best limit games, neither of these things are true.

The classic no-limit game, that is silly when played at limit, is five card stud. You know 40% of your hand before the first betting round, and you know 80% of everyone's hand by showdown.

The classic limit game, which does not play well no-limit, is five card draw. While you know five cards before the first round, you typically throw away two or three of them; and because you pick the ones to throw away, the cards you get have more information than dealt cards. You know almost nothing about other players' hands at showdown, just what you can guess from their draw and betting.

Seven card stud high and hold'em play well either way. Omaha, draw and any lowball or high low game play best at limit.

#12 12-09-2005, 07:37 PM

I believe the WSOP has an event for NL 2-7 draw, but I've never heard of this being played in cash games.

ohnonotthat · #13 12-09-2005, 08:28 PM

Deuce-seven is rarely played, period.

When it is, however it's almost always played N-L.

D.H. · #14 12-09-2005, 09:00 PM

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Even AAJT DS in omaha isn't more than a 60% favorite over any other hand.

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Over 2222 it's a 100% favorite. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

pzhon · #15 12-10-2005, 02:13 AM

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Even AAJT DS in omaha isn't more than a 60% favorite over any other hand.

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Yes, it is. The following are matchups against random hands.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396148
As Js Ah Th 0.750
Ks 4s Jd 8h 0.250

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396151
As Js Ah Th 0.719
5c 9d 5h 3h 0.281

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396152
As Js Ah Th 0.790
Qs Qc 8d 2h 0.210

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396156
As Js Ah Th 0.682
5s Ac 7c Qh 0.318

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396158
As Js Ah Th 0.661
6s 3s 8c 9h 0.339

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396164
As Js Ah Th 0.729
Ts 6c Jh 4h 0.271

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396166
As Js Ah Th 0.665
9s Kd 6d 4d 0.335

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396171
As Js Ah Th 0.774
Kc Ad Td 6h 0.226

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396176
As Js Ah Th 0.698
7s Jc 9c 7h 0.302

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396179
As Js Ah Th 0.689
8s Tc 2c 3d 0.311

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396180
As Js Ah Th 0.664
2s 3c Qd 5d 0.336

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396181
As Js Ah Th 0.680
4c 7d 2d Kh 0.320

ZeeJustin · #16 12-10-2005, 02:34 AM

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Deuce-seven is rarely played, period.

When it is, however it's almost always played N-L.

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This is just plain incorrect.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #17 12-10-2005, 11:57 AM

There are NL Omaha games on 'Stars. I know of some home games that play PL stud, and Lowball draw in both variants is often played NL.

ohnonotthat · #18 12-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Where is this game played limit on even a semi-regular basis ?

I am talking about straight 2-7, not triple draw.

Don Olney · #19 12-10-2005, 02:04 PM

Omaha is best played at POT LIMIT----Draw and LOWBALL are GREAT POT LIMIT games

ChuckyB · #20 12-10-2005, 08:29 PM

I played the NL Omaha 8 on Stars, and it's just crap. I won a bunch of money, but the game is ridiculous. Get a good hand pre-flop, push all your crap in and pray.

Plus, I don't think any hand is a real dominating favorite pre-flop like in holdem...so you could lose a lot in a hurry trying to bully with a 60-40 favorite.