QQ on an A high flop.

KneeCo · #1 12-06-2005, 11:44 PM

PP 40K. Very early and villain was actually moved to my table with that stack, so nothing at all in terms of reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 (t1130)
Hero (t1220)
Button (t945)
SB (t1315)
BB (t535)
UTG (t905)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t855)
MP1 (t1725)
MP2 (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises to t100, 2 folds, Hero calls t100, 3 folds.

Flop: (t222.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t85, Hero calls t85.

Turn: (t392.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t100, Hero calls t100.

River: (t592.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t100, Hero raises to t400

What's the verdict?

I think his most likely holding at this point is JJ-KK, I don't think a weak A raises like that pf, I don't think a strong A or a set of Aces bets like that post-flop. Given that this is the Party 40k though, who knows?

Blindcurve · #2 12-07-2005, 12:39 AM

I assume you're looking for a fold. I think the weakest hand that calls here is JJ.
I think your problem would be that a weak ace doesn't fold here either, esp. in the 40K. I feel like your raise on the river feels suspect. If Villain has gotten this far with JJ or KK, he may find it hard to muster a fold, regardless of how correct it may be. He's committed a lot of chips, and a call leaves him with his starting stack and plenty of time to recover.

#3 12-07-2005, 12:59 AM

re-raise preflop to t400. on the flop, pop it up to t300. you played the first few decisions very passivley, and the river would be the last choice for a raise.

edit: given the way it played out, i just call the river.

mlagoo · #4 12-07-2005, 01:02 AM

i cant imagine not reraising this preflop. is that your standard preflop line with QQ in position?

DDBeast · #5 12-07-2005, 03:48 AM

I usually reraise pf. His bets look weak, but I still don't see any benefit of raising the river.

#6 12-07-2005, 12:52 PM

Weird hand. I can't understand why you've not raised pre-flop. My read would be a weak ace and I would fear that he was going to two pair a rag. Got to raise QQ pre-flop!

#7 12-07-2005, 01:17 PM

In some situations, it's right not to reraise with QQ. These situations are against good players who can put you on hands and especially players that you play against frequently. Here, you should always reraise because there's no benefit to randomizing your play, and the small benefit that you get from disguising your hand a little doesn't outweigh the benefit of extra money you get in preflop with the best hand in position (and the times you just win the pot uncontested).

I actually think a flop fold is correct. The reason is that you're not really getting 3:1 on your money on the flop, as you're almost always going to have to call bets of at least t85 on the turn and river, making your real best case scenario odds ~1.3:1.

I really hate your river raise.

Keep in mind that in the early stages of a donkey-filled tournament, these small bets are essentially the standard, so you're probably better off thinking that villain is a donkey who decided to bet than that villain is an average/bad player who decided to bet small.

#8 12-07-2005, 01:36 PM

I would re-raise to 300 pre-flop.

Given that you called, I would raise to 250 on the flop and check/fold if called.

I really hate the way you played it.

John W · #9 12-07-2005, 01:42 PM

Why raise the river here, your only going to get called by a better hand. Raise preflop or on the flop, it's alot easier to play a hand knowing were at in the hand, then guessing on the river whether your villain had an ace or not.

#10 12-07-2005, 02:07 PM

You should raise pre flop to make smaller pairs and hands like AJ A10 make a mistake by calling you.
By just calling each of their raises all the way to the river you have gained no information as to the stength of their hand. You should have reraised on the flop. If they call then you are probably in trouble.
the river raise is a mistake because the only one who's calling your raise has you beat.