herro, playalong/hand reading/preflop+flop+turn+river play

[milesdyson]

yeah so basically every hand said so far i would bet here. sorry i wasn't around to show the turn/river sooner... so here we go. this should narrow the range down nicely. also i fixed the action - i had shown button acting before bb, eh?

Absolute Poker - 2/4 Hold'em (6 max, 3 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with X, Y.
Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

and two options for the river action:
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River: (10.5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button folds, Hero makes most likely a bad call but the pot is large and BB is unknown.
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River: (10.5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>
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[jaxUp]

I think next time you do a playalong you should try to stretch it out over like 3 days.

[milesdyson]

one day per street. genius.

Your T8 got counterfiet.[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[tyler_cracker]

Well i, for one, want to know what happened, so i'm replying/bumping.

After the turn check/raise, i put you on a T with a decent kicker (QT-T9, maybe KTo if you wouldn't raise it preflop), or a pair with a flush draw (98s, 54s, etc.).

I have no idea what hand you could have on the river that would be a "bad call but let's lookup the unknown anyway" *or* a 3-bet (because surely you don't think unknown 80/0 man is pulling a river bluff raise/fold). I think this narrows your range to a hand that contains a T, however.

[milesdyson]

the two optional river actions are supposed to be taken as different results. use them to come up with specific ranges. in one i have a hand that is a crying call to that river raise. in two i have a hand that i 3-bet with. the hands are different, but i could play them the same on the flop and turn.

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Your T8 got counterfiet.

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i'm 3-betting the flop with T8.

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After the turn check/raise, i put you on a T with a decent kicker (QT-T9, maybe KTo if you wouldn't raise it preflop), or a pair with a flush draw (98s, 54s, etc.).


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mainly i just 3-bet the flop w/ KT/QT/JT most of the time. if i just bet/call the flop with these, i would not check raise the turn. i would also not raise the turn with less than top pair (even with a four flush). 54s is a good guess for river option one. 98s is not.

A5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
54

[milesdyson]

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A4

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can't have it. i check raised the turn.
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A5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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still not check raising turn.

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A4

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can't have it. i check raised the turn.

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Realised. See above.

The river 3bet option.
76o
32[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[tyler_cracker]

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Your T8 got counterfiet.

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i'm 3-betting the flop with T8.


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I agree (not sure if you noticed, but i wasn't the one that said this. Also, i know how to spell "counterfeited" :P).

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mainly i just 3-bet the flop w/ KT/QT/JT most of the time. if i just bet/call the flop with these, i would not check raise the turn.

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Is this because you would donk/3-bet instead? Or because you would only not 3-bet the flop because of other outstanding circumstances (you're up against a rock/the board is scary/...)?

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i would also not raise the turn with less than top pair (even with a four flush). 54s is a good guess for river option one. 98s is not.

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You might make a crying call with T5s/85s/54s, thinking that BB must have aces up.

You would 3-bet 55, though you would probably raise that preflop. If you wouldn't raise the turn without at least top pair, there are no hands with an A that you can have except AT, which you would certainly raise pf. 76[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] also works.

Am i getting closer?