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Old 11-21-2005, 11:21 PM
4thstreetpete 4thstreetpete is offline
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

I like a LELAISE here but only 1 time.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

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Seems like a way behind way ahead situation here,

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yo tex, we have already made it to the river, so how far ahead or behind we are is irrelevant. the race is over.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

I guess that line has been used too many times in a different context for it to be app. here.

EDIT: you're killing everything, try and c'r. if he three bets, be sure to puke on the pot when he shows you quad ducks.
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:02 AM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

My immediate response was 3-bet, but if you look at the hand range he may have - if he's got Q9, or 22/QQ/KK/AA, then he's mostly got you. Will he really raise the river with KQ (or AQ), since you capped preflop? Don't know, but calling the raise starts to look more wise than 3-betting it up.
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

Questions: what range of hands will he 3-bet? What is your hand range on the river?

I need the answers to these questions to go much farther, but my guess is that your range is fairly wide and AQ is near the top. I'll also guess that AQ beats lots of hands that he could have reached the river with, so a 3-bet is going to be at least in the mix for this hand. This probably coincides nicely with your intuition and is exactly why you're not sure of the answer... the answer is both.

good luck.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

I would say he's folding KQ or worse to the 3-bet and capping or calling with KK or better so the only value to 3-betting would be to possibly fold another AQ.
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Old 11-22-2005, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

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I would say he's folding KQ or worse to the 3-bet and capping or calling with KK or better so the only value to 3-betting would be to possibly fold another AQ.

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uh...yeah, right.

But seriously, if only all your hands were this easy.

3rd, the title of your post can be construed (probably correctly) as a racist insult. Do you really feel the need to muddy up a hand discussion with such a pointless (and not funny) 'joke'.
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Old 11-22-2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

My inclination at first to lelaise, because lelaising just sounds cool and because you have a strong hand.

But what hands that you beat play this way? If villain had a Q, I think he can only be calling down if he has AQ. Would he try to slowplay to the river with 99 or A2s? Could he have a small PP that he was planning on calling down anyway and now he's trying to push you off JJ/TT on the river?

Are you going to fold to a lelelaise (aka a 4-bet)?

I initially thought 3-betting was best, but unless someone can give a reasonably sized range of hands that villain has that we beat, I think calling is best.
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Old 11-22-2005, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

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3rd, the title of your post can be construed (probably correctly) as a racist insult. Do you really feel the need to muddy up a hand discussion with such a pointless (and not funny) 'joke'.

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OMG who are you? if i call you a p ussy will you be offended?
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Old 11-22-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: AQ RIVER TP. LELAISE OR CALL?

hijack
Can someone fill me in on the origin of "lelaise" ?
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