two kings

bicyclekick · #1 11-18-2005, 05:30 PM

400 6max nl. Both have about 400.

The hand before this hand, the villain minraised a limper preflop with JsTc I call in the bb, flop 842 with 2 spades he checked behind, turn Qs I bet 35 into the 25 pot he called and river was another 2 and it went check check.

He raises to 20 this time, I call in the sb with KsKh, bb folds.

Flop QJT with 2 diamonds, i check, pot size is like 45 he bets 125.

I...?

Malachii · #2 11-18-2005, 05:46 PM

This is an awful flop for kings. This is not a hand to go broke with. I would fold. Why no reraise preflop?

#3 11-18-2005, 06:54 PM

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This is an awful flop for kings. This is not a hand to go broke with. I would fold. Why no reraise preflop?

[/ QUOTE ] How is this an awful flop??? Seriously, I would like to hear some resoning.

Overpair and OESD??? I cry tears of joy and push. I'm not the best player in the world, so if Im wrong, why?

I do agree with raising pf though.

aces_dad · #4 11-18-2005, 07:01 PM

Because it's very likely to have hit the PFR. You could be nearly dead to AK, behind 2 pair or a set and not having a Kd also doesn't take away one flush card.

Aloysius · #5 11-18-2005, 07:03 PM

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Because it's very likely to have hit the PFR. You could be nearly dead to AK, behind 2 pair or a set and not having a Kd also doesn't take away one flush card.

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Why didn't you lead the flop?

I also don't understand no re-raise preflop.

2x pot bet strange - has he done this before? AQ?

MTBlue · #6 11-18-2005, 07:03 PM

Ick folding and pushing are both legitate options. He probably has two pair and you've got solid pot equity. On the other hand if he has a straight you're in bad shape. Flip a coin.

bobbyi · #7 11-18-2005, 07:05 PM

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This is an awful flop for kings. This is not a hand to go broke with. I would fold. Why no reraise preflop?

[/ QUOTE ] How is this an awful flop??? Seriously, I would like to hear some resoning.

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Because the guy's most likely hand is AK which leaves you drawing to three outs to a chop plus a remote runner runner boat.

bobbyi · #8 11-18-2005, 07:08 PM

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behind 2 pair or a set

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We're actually even money against two pair.

BK_ · #9 11-18-2005, 07:15 PM

the question is how best to get your money in vs his very likely draw/worse pair. the stack sizes make a push a bit uncomfortable, but it cant be terribly wrong. i may even go with the min raise here with the intention of getting the rest on the turn.

bobbyi · #10 11-18-2005, 07:16 PM

I agree that calling on this flop seems bad. The problem is that if we're behind, all of our outs (set or straight) put a four straight on board so it's pretty hard to get paid off. If we just call, I don't see how we expect to make any more money. But I suck at no limit.