How often are you calling this river?

GoCubsGo · #1 11-17-2005, 11:40 PM

MP3 is 70/9/1.6 Button is 18/4.5/1.5

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 ($109)
CO ($112.75)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($99.25)
BB ($102.50)
UTG ($66.25)
Hero ($195.50)
MP1 ($50.10)
MP2 ($41.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $6, MP3 calls $6, CO folds.

Flop: ($23.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $10, MP3 calls $10, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($53.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $25, MP3 raises to $50, Button calls $50, Hero calls $25.

River: ($203.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 calls $42 (All-In), Button calls $31.50 (All-In), Hero?.

Final Pot: $319

I am confident that I'm ahead of button's AK. I called MP3's minraise on the turn hoping to hit my FH because I was pretty sure he had a flush or straight. But now I have really good odds to call this river after button calls MP3's push. Since he is such a fish, he could be overplaying top pair or 2 pair. But then again, button could be slowplaying KK or hit his set of AA on the river. Do you call or fold?

PoBoy321 · #2 11-17-2005, 11:45 PM

Getting 8:1, I'm not gonna fold it.

pokernose · #3 11-18-2005, 12:00 AM

I would have a very tough time laying it down, but it is probably the right move. With a straight possible and a flush possible I don't think both players are all in with 1 or 2 pair. Some one has the straight or the flush here.

PoBoy321 · #4 11-18-2005, 12:35 AM

Also, I should have mentioned this: pot the flop, 2/3 the turn. It's a very draw heavy board and you're giving good odds.

GoCubsGo · #5 11-18-2005, 12:44 AM

I really like betting half the pot on the flop. It looks sort of weak and a lot of times I will get the tight player to raise me. Plus it is good for me because I often bet half the pot with an OESD or flush draw, so it makes my play unpredictable.

By betting $20, it is more likely that MP3 will fold and button calls. By betting $10, I'm hoping MP3 calls, button raises, I call, MP3 folds after contributing some dead money. It also becomes much easier to get button's stack in the middle.

PoBoy321 · #6 11-18-2005, 12:48 AM

OK, fair enough, you underbet the flop because you wanted to represent weakness and get raised. Now that didn't work, so why are you still underbetting the turn?

GoCubsGo · #7 11-18-2005, 01:03 AM

I underbet the turn because I didn't know what to do. I feared that MP3 had hit his straight or flush. Really didn't know where I was at in the hand. But I don't like my play here. By only betting half the pot, I'm giving them good odds to hit a flush on the river.

I guess the underbet on the turn is pretty stupid because I wanted to keep the pot under control OOP, but then I ended up in a sticky situation anyway. Should I have gone 2/3 or full pot on this turn? I'm sort of clueless in this spot.

xorbie · #8 11-18-2005, 01:04 AM

This is a really bad board for a weak lead.

#9 11-18-2005, 01:27 AM

i dont understand your flop bet, less then have the pot with drarw heavy board. Your asking them to draw out on you. 2/3 or pot it. River you are getting 8:1 but 99.9% sure that your beat. I would feel pretty bad laying this down but i would feel worse making this call.

GoCubsGo · #10 11-18-2005, 04:55 PM

MP3 had A8 and button had AK, as I suspected. I was very surprised MP3 didn't have a straight or flush. I really messed this hand up and got very lucky to still win.