Deep $100 max hand

While you do have a valid point I'm saying that there is the possibility he doesn't fold after you raise so a raise is +ev.

I just think this whole discussion is a moot point because nobody ever plays a SF like this and you won't be in this position often enough for it to ever matter.

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[TheWorstPlayer]

all-in. he NEVER checks the nuts on the river here. More likely a straight or smaller flush. And sure he'll call sometimes with those hands.

[Rockatansky]

I also think there's an argument to be made for min-re-raising or something close to it to induce a crying call from a straight or baby flush, but I don't feel like making it right now.

[Jocke_F]

the guy calls 30bb preflop with JT, does it sound like a solid player? Obvious raise and hope he d0nks of some more money with a low flush or maybe even a set or whatever, he sounds like a donk.

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all-in. he NEVER checks the nuts on the river here. More likely a straight or smaller flush. And sure he'll call sometimes with those hands.

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Do you really push 225BBs here?

[TheWorstPlayer]

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all-in. he NEVER checks the nuts on the river here. More likely a straight or smaller flush. And sure he'll call sometimes with those hands.

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Do you really push 225BBs here?

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Into a 150bb pot? Yup.

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Do you really push 225BBs here?

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At this point, its not about the BB's, its about whats in the pot. The pot is about 100, so you're only raising 2x the pot

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The pot is about 80, so you're only raising 3x the pot...its not thatttt big.

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3x pot would be too big.

Pot was at least $150 before the raise, though.

[The_Bends]

How the hell has this caused so much debate? The villian could have...

1)A J for the straight, or KJ for the nut straight
2)A smaller flush
3)A very poorly played set or TT that just caught
4)An outright bluff
5)A straight flush

This is a clear raise as small flushes and even nut straights might call here. Hell this is NL100 against a guy making crazy bets and calling all in with JTs preflop, he may well call with TT or 9T.

So min raise or push? I think anything which calls a min raise probably calls a push so I just jam it here. It has the added bonus of looking like a J trying to steal intead of split.

Incidentally with position and with a raise and a call I'm rerasing 90% of the time preflop, just under the general premise of building a good sized pot in position with a strong hand. I also might semi-bluff the turn, hoping either to take the hand down or to build the pot with a great disgusied draw in order to win big on the river.