What is my flop accion?

[thesharpie]

Miles, how many outs do you give yourself on the flop? I usually end up folding in these close spots and want to know if there's something I'm missing. Are our implied odds really that good when only about half our outs are to the "pseudo nuts".

I smoothcall the turn, if they have nothing they'll probably fold for 2 cold, and hands that would call for 2 cold might raise anyway.

[sean c]

Easy turn raise.

[milesdyson]

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Miles, how many outs do you give yourself on the flop?

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not enough to call for 6:1, but i think my implied odds are very good on the gutshot outs. i also feel that my J is worth something like 1.5 outs. so i'd say i have ~5 outs, but that implied odds make up for what my immediate pot odds lack.
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Easy turn raise.

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why?

[sean c]

Aggressive button bet the flop sb bet the turn. There is no reason to go for overcalls or try and trap. Button is just as likely to fold here as raise you would at best need both to overcall to gain extra value vs raising and this assumes sb will never 3-bet. An ace may 3-bet i just see no good reason to get fancy here i like jamming the turn.

[MrWookie47]

My first instinct was to just raise away, but in this small pot, I think I agree with you. Any larger and I'd still raise.

[milesdyson]

i just called the turn. utg folded, button called.

river offsuit 3. sb bets, i raise, button calls, sb calls.

button shows A5 and SB has AQ. i think if the board didn't pair on the river that SB 3-bets, and i was surprised button didn't raise the turn.

anyway, 13 bb pot. this is obviously on the large side - i didn't expect this many extra small bets when i decided to call the flop (back when it was 6 sb)

[bozlax]

My initial reaction was "punt." When I think about it, though, and after reading the responses, I s'pose peeling on the flop is ok as UTG is unlikely to raise, so for all intents and purposes you're closing the action, and your implieds are large.

I also agree with sean that the turn is a raise. These guys are going to be so happy to be holding an ace, they aren't even going to think about your holding a 6, but if something "ugly" (like a paired board or an ace) happens on the river they're going to go back into their shells. Also, if they're not holding an ace or a 6 they're probably bailing on the turn, anyway.

[TomBrooks]

Flop: I'll peel counting seven outs to Jacks and the gutshot.

Turn: Raise it. Blow any sevens or flush draws out of there or charge them. If anyone else has an ace, enjoy the war that's going to break out. If SB has the ace, give him the opportunity to three bet you.

EeeHa!

[TomBrooks]

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button shows A5 and SB has AQ. i think if the board didn't pair on the river that SB 3-bets, and i was surprised button didn't raise the turn.

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Too bad. That made two of you slowplaying the turn. I hadn't thought about it before, but pairing the board is a scare card that could slow down the river action. More reason to have raised the turn.

[milesdyson]

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Turn: Raise it. Blow any sevens or flush draws out of there or charge them.

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i don't want 7s to fold, and i'm really not worrying about someone having two diamonds here.

the best argument i've seen for raising the turn is that board pairing cards and aces can kill my river action.

i still don't know.