BITCH PLEASE. PARTY20. BLIND VS BLIND.

flawless_victory · #1 10-13-2005, 08:52 PM

opponent is comepletely unknown and seems typical over about 10 hands.

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

River: (11 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 11 BB

im calling a river bet, obviously.

robinsons · #2 10-13-2005, 09:05 PM

preflop: without a read, I'm probably folding this without a read on the opponent. I do not play 20/40 so cannot comment on players there, but unless you have a good deal of fold equity I don't like it OOP. After the 3bet, I don't see what the benefit of the cap is - at best you're putting in money 50/50 without position.
Flop - a good probabilty that this hasn't hit him, however he is going to call with overcards.
Turn - again a good chance you are still best here, however without a read his raise makes me fell uncomforatable but there's still a good enough chance that he's getting agro with overs to call down. Is the 3bet meant to try and fold a better hand, or for value? This is a play that I'd never make (judging by what I have seen from your past posts, you are a far better player than I), however I'd be interested in your reasoning here.
river - see above.

The Truth · #3 10-13-2005, 09:20 PM

I would just call the preflop 3 bet and check/rase the flop.

The cap isn't horrible, just not optimal.

If I cap, the flop is standard.

Turn I dont like. When he raises, just call. Don't give him an opportunity to punish you worse if he has a made hand. He doesn't fold anything that beats you to the 3 bet, or any draw.

Call turn and donk bet river. Or call turn and check/call river.

Same amount of bets with less risk me thinks.

-blake

NLSoldier · #4 10-13-2005, 09:48 PM

I was with you till the turn 3bet...

Its something I would never do, maybe just cuz I am a pussy.
I agree he can have a pretty wide range here, but I just feel like this is spewing.

I suck at pokerstove, can someone tell us how we are doing vs a rang of AK/AQ, any PP (other than 44,66,77) Any 2 broadway hearts, Q9,K9,A9,Q8,K8,A8, JTo,JTs. Am I missing anything or would you agree this is probably his range flawless vic?

Victor · #5 10-13-2005, 09:51 PM

if you bet the river he is calling you with all his acehighs. i dont think he is betting those on the riv.

does he have garbage here often enough?

flawless_victory · #6 10-13-2005, 10:09 PM

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if you bet the river he is calling you with all his acehighs.

[/ QUOTE ]i dont think this is true.

TStoneMBD · #7 10-13-2005, 10:12 PM

i think the turn 3bet is a spew. im quite surprised by your line here. he wont fold any worse hands. river check is most definitely standard. he will check behind with alot of better hands and very few worse hands are calling.

flawless_victory · #8 10-13-2005, 10:18 PM

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I was with you till the turn 3bet...

Its something I would never do, maybe just cuz I am a pussy.
I agree he can have a pretty wide range here, but I just feel like this is spewing.

I suck at pokerstove, can someone tell us how we are doing vs a rang of AK/AQ, any PP (other than 44,66,77) Any 2 broadway hearts, Q9,K9,A9,Q8,K8,A8, JTo,JTs. Am I missing anything or would you agree this is probably his range flawless vic?

[/ QUOTE ]basically, based on his timing and the board texture, i felt it was very likely that turn card helped him... look at all those draws (you left out any hand that contains a 7 or 6)... i did think there may have made a pair of 8s, but i didnt think he could punish me any further with that hand.

wheelz · #9 10-13-2005, 10:29 PM

so are you folding to a turn cap then? again your reasoning makes sense, but he's probably betting the river if he misses his draw, so i don't know that this is much better than just calling down.

flawless_victory · #10 10-13-2005, 11:16 PM

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so are you folding to a turn cap then?

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probably not.
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i don't know that this is much better than just calling down.

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- i think he will take the showdown/give up often.
- he still may bluff the riv w/ JT netting me four bets.
- metagame.