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Old 09-23-2005, 09:02 AM
cartman cartman is offline
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Default Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

Assuming that my opponent is a maniac with the following characteristics:

1) Literally never folds the flop heads up
2) Literally never folds the turn heads up
3) Is virtually guaranteed to raise at some point postflop heads up
4) Bets when checked to 100% of the time on any street
5) Literally shows down every King high or better heads up

My standard operation procedure when I have raised preflop and I am out of position with an unimproved Ace high is to autobet the flop and then check call both the turn and river against this guy. I sure feel like a moron paying off with A2, but folding seems like it would be criminal.

Am I correct here?

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Old 09-23-2005, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

i believe you are correct.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

I might just c/c the flop/turn/river. Please explain your reasoning for a flop bet.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

I'm not sure, but I give it thumbs up.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:32 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

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i believe you are correct.

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I think so too.

I like a hand with a little more high card power...like A4o [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously though, we just have to showdown this type of guy to death for value. If c/cing all 3 streets is what it takes, do it.

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Old 09-23-2005, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

Sounds about right to me. I see no reason in folding absolutely anything with showdown value.
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Old 09-23-2005, 12:32 PM
kidcolin kidcolin is offline
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I might just c/c the flop/turn/river. Please explain your reasoning for a flop bet.

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I believe it's for value.
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Old 09-23-2005, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

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I might just c/c the flop/turn/river. Please explain your reasoning for a flop bet.

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I believe it's for value.

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Right. This guy will raise with so much #%@$ on the flop that we almost welcome the raise. The combined chances that our hand is in front and that we will hit one of our pair outs makes this a value bet in my opinion. Just like on a 2236 board for instance I would also bet the turn with AK. He is foaming at the mouth to raise this turn regardless of his cards so you bet and call down, basically inducing a bluff raise often enough that it finances the times he actually does have you beat and you fail to pass him on the river. (Thanks Jeff W, ALL1N, and others for pointing this out to me).

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Old 09-23-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

I know it feels like spewing, but against this opponent check-raise, check-raise, check-call unimproved seems like the best plan with ace high.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: Heads Up vs a Maniac with Ace High

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

normally I like a board like 223r where there is no threat of him having hit it, but this dude was 40/20 and average aggro, so I thought I'd be good just enough
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