is this stealing

[Ray Zee]

if i pay you to watch something for eight hours. and you only do it for four but dont tell me and take my money is that stealing.

if i pay you for eight hours work and assign you a task and you finish sooner but then do something else for your own benefit. is that stealing.

is surfing the net while at work stealing if the boss doesnt know you are doing it.

[istewart]

My best friend is:

[threeonefour]

A) stealing
B) not stealing
C) depends on whether the employee is being paid based on his/her time or his/her production

[brassnuts]

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if i pay you to watch something for eight hours. and you only do it for four but dont tell me and take my money is that stealing.

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Yes.

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if i pay you for eight hours work and assign you a task and you finish sooner but then do something else for your own benefit. is that stealing.

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No, as long as you didn't specifically assign the person another task to do if he/she finishes early.

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is surfing the net while at work stealing if the boss doesnt know you are doing it.

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No, as long as you are also getting your assigned work completed.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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if i pay you to watch something for eight hours. and you only do it for four but dont tell me and take my money is that stealing.

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Yes. In this case the eight hours is part of the agreement and I am not providing the service I agreed to provide.

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if i pay you for eight hours work and assign you a task and you finish sooner but then do something else for your own benefit. is that stealing.

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No - in this case you're apparently paying for the completion of a task, not for me to be around for eight hours. Assuming the task is what's integral to the contract, not the eight hours (i.e. it's "reshingle my roof", and not "answer the phones until 5"), then when the task is done, the job's done, regardless of how long it took (as long as it's done satisfactorily, of course).

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is surfing the net while at work stealing if the boss doesnt know you are doing it.

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Pretty much, technically speaking, although it's on such a small scale that it's hard to even call it "stealing". It's akin to someone looking up from their computer work and staring absentmindedly out a window for a few seconds - yeah, it's technically a waste of company time, but out-and-out theft? I dunno about that.

So I guess it just depends on to what degree you're "stealing" company money. If you're a complete and total internet addict whose productivity drops off noticeably because of it, then yeah. But on the other hand, if you're working on some task and take thirty seconds out to look up on the web what the weather is going to be like that evening, I don't think even the most hardassed of supervisors would chastise you for that.

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The first yes.

The other's I don't think so as long as there was no dishonesty involved.

Example in number 2.

"How long did that take you?"
"8hours"

that would then be stealing IMO.

[wacki]

what brassnuts said. Stealing requires intentional deception. If there isn't any intentional deception then it's not stealing. It's simple as that.

[Lawrence Ng]

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if i pay you to watch something for eight hours. and you only do it for four but dont tell me and take my money is that stealing.

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Yes sir.

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if i pay you for eight hours work and assign you a task and you finish sooner but then do something else for your own benefit. is that stealing.

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No sir.

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is surfing the net while at work stealing if the boss doesnt know you are doing it.

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Only if I use the boss' credit card to view porn online, sir.

Lawrence.

[Edge34]

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Example in number 2.

"How long did that take you?"
"8hours"

that would then be stealing IMO.

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This is why I enjoy figuring out how to fix as much stuff as I possibly can on my own vehicle.

[Jakesta]

All mechanics are not thieves, you know.