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Old 12-30-2005, 11:10 AM
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Default 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t4860)
BB (t710)
UTG (t1635)
Hero (t795)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO folds.

Push or fold?
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:12 AM
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Clear push.

Now stop being a cheapass and go buy SNGPT.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10

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Clear push.

Now stop being a cheapass and go buy SNGPT.

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What's SNGPT?
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:17 AM
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:-)

Here you go. It is a calculator that tells you the EV of pushing or folding in situations like this based on your opponents calling ranges and chip stacks.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10

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:-)

Here you go. It is a calculator that tells you the EV of pushing or folding in situations like this based on your opponents calling ranges and chip stacks.

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I know the push is chip EV+, but this is a bubble situation, so my main concern is that the other short stack busts out before I do.
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:45 AM
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Plain and simple, this is a +$EV push, not just a +cEV push. You and him are about even, which is even more of a reason to push IMO. Fold here and you give him another chance to take the lead. This push only becomes -$EV if you think he will call with more than 40% (22+,A2+,K2+,Q9o+,Q5s+,JTo,J8s+,T9s) of hands, which is more likely to happen at the next blind level when half his stack is in the blinds. As it is he's still got what, like 4BB left if he folds?
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10

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Plain and simple, this is a +$EV push, not just a +cEV push. You and him are about even, which is even more of a reason to push IMO. Fold here and you give him another chance to take the lead. This push only becomes -$EV if you think he will call with more than 40% (22+,A2+,K2+,Q9o+,Q5s+,JTo,J8s+,T9s) of hands, which is more likely to happen at the next blind level when half his stack is in the blinds. As it is he's still got what, like 4BB left if he folds?

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He called with K8o. Aside from the fact that I was dominated, this leads me to believe that he felt pot committed and was calling with atleast 50% of his hands.
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If he was calling with K6+,A6+,22+, that's still just a 20% range.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10

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If he was calling with K6+,A6+,22+, that's still just a 20% range.

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If he is calling with K8o, he is probably calling with suited broadway cards, suited aces, and maybe some other hands. But your right. That still is only maybe 30%.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: 87s on button short stacks on bubble, other short stack in BB ($10

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Clear push.

Now stop being a cheapass and go buy SNGPT.

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How has the bigstack SB been playing up to this point? If he's been playing properly, I'll often fold in spots like this for four reasons:

1) BB is almost certain to not get a walk

2) SB can take out BB for me

3) If SB has loose calling standards, obviously I'd prefer to not have him call me when I have 8 high

4) I am not the shortstack
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