Revive the Stud board!!! (I'll start, here's a hand) - Page 2

Alex/Mugaaz · #11 10-10-2005, 02:37 AM

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What do you put him on that makes you fold to the raise?

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Anything that beats kings up? (though i think this line isn't good at 2/4 where people can be retarded enough to raise regardless of what you represent)

sexdrugsmoney · #12 10-10-2005, 04:12 AM

Thanks guys.

With this 2/4 competition I've seen some good players and some morans, I suspected his raise was 4 to a flush, thus my 6th street bet to make him pay to make it.

Ofcourse he tripped up and that was that, do we all agree I have to see SD at this level?

Also you may wonder why I raised being in late position, it was to get the BI out and increase my pot equity with playing my hand against fewest opponents possible.

In hindsight it was probably bad because I increased the pot size like Sklansky says not to do to avoid a "shootout" in his loose games section in 7CS4AP but I doubt most players at 2/4 are counting odds and making borderline fold/call decisions on the math. (I don't)

Then again, maybe I'm just king fish. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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SDM

BTirish · #13 10-10-2005, 06:04 AM

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In hindsight it was probably bad because I increased the pot size like Sklansky says not to do to avoid a "shootout" in his loose games section in 7CS4AP but I doubt most players at 2/4 are counting odds and making borderline fold/call decisions on the math.

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It often doesn't matter whether your opponents are thinking in terms of pot odds in making their decisions... Sklansky's point is that, with opponents who will call with some holdings whether the pot is big or small, you can inadvertently make their calls correct by increasing the pot size on 3rd. It would be better to keep the pot small (in situations like a semi-dead overpair in a multiway pot) so that, if your opponents do decide to chase, they are doing so incorrectly. This is true whether or not your opponents are sophisticated enough to think in terms of pot odds.

sexdrugsmoney · #14 10-10-2005, 06:16 AM

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In hindsight it was probably bad because I increased the pot size like Sklansky says not to do to avoid a "shootout" in his loose games section in 7CS4AP but I doubt most players at 2/4 are counting odds and making borderline fold/call decisions on the math.

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It often doesn't matter whether your opponents are thinking in terms of pot odds in making their decisions... Sklansky's point is that, with opponents who will call with some holdings whether the pot is big or small, you can inadvertently make their calls correct by increasing the pot size on 3rd. It would be better to keep the pot small (in situations like a semi-dead overpair in a multiway pot) so that, if your opponents do decide to chase, they are doing so incorrectly. This is true whether or not your opponents are sophisticated enough to think in terms of pot odds.

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Ah I see, thanks.

Chris Daddy Cool · #15 10-10-2005, 09:53 AM

i just limp 3rd and check 6th.

i don't think folding this river would be terribly wrong especially what transpired on 6th street.

patrick dicaprio · #16 10-10-2005, 07:35 PM

i have no problem completing here, if you get called in all spots i think you make money since you have to be more than 1/4 to win the hand on third. even with a folder i think you make money on this raise.

on fifth uh-oh hard to see you not being up against trips. what else can he have unless he is a maniac??

pat

patrick dicaprio · #17 10-10-2005, 07:39 PM

i remember a hand from a while back, maybe two years or so, where a poster had a similar situation with hidden queens. if i recall correctly Zee responded that a raise is in order since you expect to be called by enough to make you money since you are a bigger favorite in the hand than the bets earned. you do want to avoid a shootout if the game is tough i think, but if it is loose and people call with anything i am happy to gamble here. not for teh faint of heart but i think you have to play this way more often than not if you want to increase your hourly rate.

that said i may be way off base since you have a K dead. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Pat

#18 10-10-2005, 08:02 PM

I'm slightly surprised that people are saying this hand is a call on 3rd. I would always raise 3rd, and I would see that as being successful even if I only got the bring-in to fold.

Check and call 6th. Putting villain on a draw is a potentially dangerous leak here. I can't see how you think you are ahead more than 50% here. Putting him on a draw is looking for a hand you can beat and then deciding he must have this. This can be expensive.

Given the way you played this, I think you could get the extra bet you spent on 6th back by check/folding the river with one pair. It's very obvious he can beat a pair of kings here.

Andy B · #19 10-11-2005, 01:47 AM

If you raise on third, the bring-in is the only player you even have the potential to get to fold. It is rare for someone to limp for half a bet and then fold for the other half. If you just call and wait until fourth to raise, you might be able to get two or even three people to fold. If the Ace is still high and bets on fourth and you raise, the other guys will have to call two bets cold. Heck, if the Ace checks and you bet, maybe everyone will fold, which would be a good result.