On Table Selection

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Great post, I'm noticing that I have become a little bit lazy with table selection. A couple questions, will you pass on a table with a good table VP$IP because you can only get say, the 4th or 5th best seat? Do you have a lot of hands on many different players, what amount of hands on a paticular player would you consider a decent size 30, 50, 100? When a couple of the very loose players leave, do you also leave, or do you give it a few orbits first?

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First pic was my little trick.

I'm not sitting at that table; I can't control it. The 30/5 guys are a little too loose, but generally have an idea about how to play post-flop. Seat 3 = Seat 4 and they both suck. Anyway, that was just me showing how meticulous I am with table selection (probably bordering on insanity, but that's not the first time I have been accused of being delusional).

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I don't think the seats are all that bad. Seats 3 and 4 will allow you to isolate hyper-LAG in seat 1. The 17/9 in seat 2 isn't going to be able to isolate 100% of the time, and you'll be next in line to isolate him. Also, if seat 2 is isolating with weaker hands, you can get some real poker going by capping him with hands slightly stronger than his, because he's not going to want to play between a hyper-LAG and a tightish preflop capper. And once you get HU with hyper-LAG, you can just call down and collect the dead money in the pot.

Seat 7 offers you some chances to play drawing hands because your realitve position to hyper-LAG is great for pot-building.

Are they optimal? Nope. But they look like spots where you can still play fairly profitably.

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Now that I am back in town, I'll catch up on this thread.

Basically the major thrust of the article was emphasizing the aspect of control over the table in selecting where to play optimally. In the first example, you certainly can make money (and especially if the 17/9 is a sucky TAG). However, many players wouldn't be able to exert optimal control from Seat 3.

Seat 7 is dangerous because you might get trapped with a drawing hand. Example: 70 limps 30 limps (note that the 30/5s aren't usually that bad of players), you limp, TAG raises, LAG 3-bets, and TAG folds. Not the best situation for playing my QJs. Like pre-flop charts, there are certainly deviations and times where you would take a non-optimal seat. But, with 70,000 players playing I usually opt to find a better hole.

[shadow29]

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Recently, to help with table/seat selection, I've started datamining (50,000+ hands at 0.5/1, 1/2, and 2/4), as well as purchasing a subscription with PE.

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I do both and it's become very much easier.

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It's tough to find an open seat at a table on party with any decent pot size.

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Very true.

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During the day, it's tough to find an open seat regardless, normally you have to wait.

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In my experience, the best times to play are from 5:30 until 2:00 am or 3:00 am EST.

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2) If you're on a waiting list, you don't have seat selection at all. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Wait lists are for RGPers.

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3) If you find a good table, often there's only one open seat.

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I disagree.

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4) My efficiency drastically decreased using this program: I was playing 160 hands per hour instead of 200. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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But I would wager that your winrate has gone up.

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5) If you're using PV rather than PE, you have to wait for an hand to start before you can see everyone's stats, then you have to wait for PV to update (takes a while dep on DB size)... by this time, the seats are filled. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I really don't have that much trouble getting a seat. You must be doing something wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What you say is 100% applicable to live play at a casino with multiple tables and the ability to change seats during a session.

How do you actually go about choosing seats on party, currently, though? (I'm really curious about the exact process, software used, etc.).

--Dave.

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I choose seats based on stats (like I detailed in the article). Look at everyone's stats, find people I want to isolate, find people away from whom I should stay. If there's not an optimal seat, or if there's a TAG (playing SH) then I move on.

[shadow29]

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A couple questions, will you pass on a table with a good table VP$IP because you can only get say, the 4th or 5th best seat?

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Yes. There are too many bad players and too many tables to worry about having to have a poor seat.


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Do you have a lot of hands on many different players, what amount of hands on a paticular player would you consider a decent size 30, 50, 100?

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I've got a lot of hands on a lot of players (like 250k players) and I also use PE. (Please save this fight for the zoo.)

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When a couple of the very loose players leave, do you also leave, or do you give it a few orbits first?

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Depends on who is left.

[Redd]

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I do both and it's become very much easier.

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Is this on Party? I thought PE was no longer permitted?

[shadow29]

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purchasing a subscription with PE.[ QUOTE ]




I do both and it's become very much easier.

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Is this on Party? I thought PE was no longer permitted?

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Eurobet. They haven't given me any grief about it. And if they do, I'll stop using it, give them a call and keep going. If they actually ban me and won't reinstate me, I think there's a couple other skins with which I can get rakeback.