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Fold overpair on the turn?
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (5 handed) converter
No read on SB, but BB is a loose losing passive player. Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, SB calls, BB calls. Turn: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero ?????. And what is you plan for the river if you continue? |
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Re: Fold overpair on the turn?
The line your opponent took is my favorite line heads up out of posistion against a pre-flop raiser who has even a hint of agressiveness. You get 5.5 BB out of him/her instead of 3.5 BB by check-raising the turn and I always, I mean always, get paid off. Especially when there are other players in the pot who you can trap for multiple bets on the istallment plan. Yum Yum.
That said, against a PP unknown I am LOATHE to lay down an over pair. So it all comes down to math. [Insert math calc here]. In conclusion, I think I call the 3-bet and fold the river unimproved, which would include the board pairing. |
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Re: Fold overpair on the turn?
My thoughts.
When he bets out on the flop and just calls, I put him on on a pair or a draw. When he bets out agains on the turn, it looks like he picked up a draw again and decided to bet it, with a hand like T9, 89, As8s. I figure with a 2 pair hand, he gos for a CR. When he 3 bets it, now I think he has J9 as he was betting his open ender on the flop and decided to bet, 3bet on the turn. So I laid it down on the turn. Anyone else? |
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Re: Fold overpair on the turn?
I've found that it can sometimes prove very costly trying to get inside the head of a Party 15-30 player. The problem is, if you're even a little off on what he'd play and how he'd play it, you could be making a huge mistake by folding.
Btw- Is it THAT wrong to just call the turn and avoid such a precarious decision? |
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Re: Fold overpair on the turn?
I would never fold an overpair in this situation. At least try to improve to 2 pair on the river and make a decision from there. Short handed game I call down almost 100%.
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Re: Fold overpair on the turn?
Hi Phil,
Although I think you may be drawing thin, I believe you should call down. You have lots of outs against 2 pair. Your opponent may be overplaying a pair + draw hand. Your opponent may be an idiot. None of these things is quite enough individually, but taken together they add up to a showdown. my 2 cents. Eric |
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