3/6 beatable?? Turn action

silkyslim · #1 10-05-2005, 06:30 PM

I was rivered 4 times in a row before this hand, I was a bit skiddish, should I raise turn? villain is a fish loose passive

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
7 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.16 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Jh 6s (one pair, queens).
Hero has As Ad (full house, aces full of queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.16 BB.

peterchi · #2 10-05-2005, 06:37 PM

I think it's fine. Stop-and-go from a passive player on a paired board means trips often enough that a call-down line seems like the best plan hooray run-on sentence.

alul · #3 10-05-2005, 06:45 PM

Is it a joke? He called you with WHAT? I guess after this hand he's on top of your buddy list.

silkyslim · #4 10-05-2005, 06:49 PM

no joke, he said he wanted to see what i had because I raised so much. i didnt make fun of him at all, which is +EV

B Dids · #5 10-05-2005, 06:56 PM

Y'all are acting like the near nut no pair isn't a good hand.

alul · #6 10-05-2005, 06:59 PM

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i didnt make fun of him at all, which is +EV

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NH

Answering your question, I don't think you should raise the turn. If he is bluffing, he will fold (he can even fold a K sometimes which you don't want), if he has a Q you will be 3-bet (which you don't want either). I guess I call the turn and river unimproved.

Greg J · #7 10-05-2005, 07:01 PM

I thought you played the hand okay.

Then I took a look at the results. Sometimes I think perhaps we read too much into reads. Loose passive? I don't doubt your read at all, but I really think this is illustrative of how sometimes players we have solid reads on do totally unexpected and randomly stupid stuff. We've all seen it: some clown decides his J high is good enough to go to town with. They suddenly get a wild hair up thier ass.

Harv72b · #8 10-05-2005, 07:14 PM

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villain is a fish loose passive

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Remember that what looks like a passive player (0.7 AF or some such) is often very aggressive when that's coupled with a very high VPIP. I really wish one of the math gurus on here would work out some sort of quick reference scale for quick comparisons...I suppose use VPIP 20/AF 2.5 as a base. That'd really be helpful.

I think you played the hand well, although with a loose/aggressive read it'd be worth raising the turn with. Against a somewhat sane opponent the turn raise only sets you up to be 3-bet by a K/JT, or get him to fold whatever lesser hand he's bluffing at you with.

silkyslim · #9 10-05-2005, 07:20 PM

It happened again, no reads until now, different playr

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (8.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9d Jd (three of a kind, nines).
BB has 7s Th (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB.

alul · #10 10-05-2005, 07:21 PM

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Remember that what looks like a passive player (0.7 AF or some such) is often very aggressive when that's coupled with a very high VPIP. I really wish one of the math gurus on here would work out some sort of quick reference scale for quick comparisons...I suppose use VPIP 20/AF 2.5 as a base. That'd really be helpful.

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I think you should put this in a separate thread. It's really interesting.