Do I go to war?

nomadtla · #1 08-22-2005, 05:04 AM

Villan is average nothing spectacular. Pretty straightforward with betting, it means he has a hand but seems to overvalue some

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (18 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ? TT is about the only (reasonable) capping hand I think I'm ahead of here except the rare AQs

do I go to war? Call him down? Or just give up the ship?
should I have 3 bet that flop?

MATT111 · #2 08-22-2005, 05:47 AM

The pot is big. I`d check-call it down for 1 bet.

bjarne · #3 08-22-2005, 06:00 AM

Unless MP3 is a really bad player I'd be verry worried.
MP3 cold called two raises preflop and the flop raise.
Even though you could be ahead of UTG+2 you could still
be beaten by MP3.

Hence, although the pot is fairly large I'd check/fold the turn. Especially if MP3 calls again.

@bsolute_luck · #4 08-22-2005, 06:10 AM

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Unless MP3 is a really bad player I'd be verry worried.
MP3 cold called two raises preflop and the flop raise.
Even though you could be ahead of UTG+2 you could still
be beaten by MP3.

Hence, although the pot is fairly large I'd check/fold the turn. Especially if MP3 calls again.

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whether we should check/call or check/fold this, you can't make that judgement based on a readless MP3. if he raises the turn, yeah, i'd fold, but all his calling could simply be calling. he could have an Ace he wants or a small pocket pair he's hoping for his set or thinks you 2 are bluffing.

unless we see some raising out of him, UTG is still the hand we need to concern ourselves with.

Jake (The Snake) · #5 08-22-2005, 06:18 AM

You have enough equity to call down. I would defenetely not go to war though. Also fold if MP3 raises. Calling 2 cold on the flop means he could defenetely be slowplaying a king.

I might consider check/folding if the river brings a ten, but otherwise see a showdown.

GTSamIAm · #6 08-22-2005, 08:26 AM

I think a turn fold is pretty reasonable here. If you get a read that the person likes to cap heads up with any pair, or is a loose raiser, always call down.

GTSamIAm · #7 08-22-2005, 08:29 AM

What are we beating? I don't think our implied odds are high enough for a set either.

@bsolute_luck · #8 08-22-2005, 08:36 AM

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I think a turn fold is pretty reasonable here. If you get a read that the person likes to cap heads up with any pair, or is a loose raiser, always call down.

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then we should have folded the flop.

GTSamIAm · #9 08-22-2005, 08:37 AM

Probably. But at that point, I don't think we had enough information to make that fold. After he proves he's not afraid of a flop 3-bet, I think we can safely fold the turn.

EDIT: Err, I misread your reply. You can make a loose flop call here. You're getting implied odds from your set.

imported_The Vibesman · #10 08-22-2005, 08:44 AM

"he has a hand but seems to overvalue some"

I think I'd just call down, unless MP3 gets out of line, and hope villian has an overplayed AQ or TT. MP3 may have a smaller pair than that, unless he just loves to call. I definitely think this is foldable against certain opponents.