A Compromise about ID in Biology Classes

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This is fine as long as they also teach that if evolution by chance is true it's ok to murder people.

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How do you get from "evolution by chance is true" to "It's ok to murder people"?

edit: does this qualify as as "totally hijacked"? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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It's part of his theist talking points.

--> No god = okay to murder anyone you want

Brainwashing is a powerful technique.

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How do you get from "evolution by chance is true" to "It's ok to murder people"?


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If God is dead, all is permitted - Nietzsche, et al.


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Nietzsche never said or implied such a thing, and lived more morally than probably 95% of all Christians in history.

[Jeff V]

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ID proponets are being backed futher and further into a corner

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I think you have this backwards.

[NotReady]

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Or, would evolving intelligence create a society where we could choose not to kill? (without fear of hell as the deterrent)


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Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Most animals don't kill their own kind or even kill at all except for pragmatic reasons (food,group dominance) - humans kill for pleasure. But the example was just for effect, evolution by chance destroys the basis of any and all morality for any reason other than pragmatism.

I think the notion that people obey God's law only because of fear of hell is wrong. It's true that fear of punishment is a strong motivation, but not the only one. Since we are made in God's image we have genuine love of and appreciation for truth and beauty. It is possible to want to do something that's right because it's right, to avoid evil because it's ugly, to love God for Who He is, and to want to be like Him because it's our highest good.

[NotReady]

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Murder is a property violation, so it's never ok to murder people.


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Who's talking law?

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Since we are made in God's image we have genuine love of and appreciation for truth and beauty.

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Of course, there are only billions of counterexamples of humans made in God's image who have no appreciation for any such thing.

[NotReady]

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Brainwashing is a powerful technique.


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You have no answer I guess.

[purnell]

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Natural selection would include the strong killing off weaker people, right?

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I don't see how this makes murder "ok".


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Or, would evolving intelligence create a society where we could choose not to kill? (without fear of hell as the deterrent)

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We can choose not to kill, no?

[NotReady]

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Nietzsche never said or implied such a thing,


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It was attributed to him as well as Dostoevsky and stated clearly by Sartre. Pick one, I don't care.

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ID proponets are being backed futher and further into a corner

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I think you have this backwards.

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The more folks like you, NotReady, and Peter666 advocate teaching ID, the more it is obvious that the pathologically unreasonable and blissfully ignorant are leading the charge.