Tell me I suck - constructively - and WIN $25

[Gamblor]

I am trying to learn how to win at shorthanded tables. I bet PP 15-30 full tables but have trouble with shorthanded games, and it's probable someone here has some really good advice.

Here are my PP 6max 5-10 stats for my first 25,000 hands.

I purposely left out my winrate; anyone who correctly guesses it while also giving me constructive criticism (as solely determined by ME) will get $25 from me.

IMO, having played so long in an aggro game like the party 15 I think I pay off too much on the river, but many guys here know more than me.

$5/$10 (6 max)
Total Hands___________________25067
VP$IP_________________________22.0576
VP$IP from SB_________________30.1548
Folded SB to Steal____________84.4857
Folded BB to Steal____________61.2172
Steal Attempts________________27.2889
%Win when seeing flop_________39.1422
Went to Showdown______________36.6709
%Win when going to showdown___52.7111
PFR%__________________________14.3255
Rake paid_____________________4104.5000

Saw Flop All Hands:_________28.43
Saw Flop Not a Blind:_______17.84
Folded BB to Steal HU:______57.14


1st Action After PF Raise:
Raise:_______________________7.81
Bet:________________________57.55
Call:________________________6.96
Check:_______________________8.88
Check/Raise:_________________1.04
Fold:________________________4.06
No Flop:____________________13.70


Aggression Factor:
Preflop:_____________________1.41
Flop:________________________3.06
Turn:________________________3.20
River:_______________________1.83
Total:_______________________2.11



Position:
_______VP$IP_____PFR%_________RFI%
Btn:__23.27)_____20.45______12.54
1:____20.62______18.76______14.18
2:____20.11______17.62______14.54
3:____17.92______15.41______14.09
BB:___19.00_______5.31______0.0
SB:___30.15______11.70______5.72

[JMP300z]

At a glance, steal more, loosen up more PF from later positions.

Win rate, 0.
If you think youre not winning enough, work on table selection.

-JMP

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[Gamblor]

[ QUOTE ]

If you think youre not winning enough, work on table selection.

-JMP

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FWIW, my table selection process consists of staying away from a table with a known shark (unless the table is full and I'm far away from him position-wise), and finding tables between $50 and $60 pots.

I generally raise a limper when in position any A-broadway, KQ, KJ, KTs, QJs, and any pair 77 and up. What should I add to that? I'll limp behind unsuited broadway hands and smaller pairs, hoping the blinds will come along. This may be a source of my problems.

[Gamblor]

i like your picture

i don't understand your post.

[PieInTheSky]

Steal more:

I steal at a rate of 40% and I estimate that I make 1 BB on my steal attempts.

P.I.T.S

[JMP300z]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

If you think youre not winning enough, work on table selection.

-JMP

[/ QUOTE ]

FWIW, my table selection process consists of staying away from a table with a known shark (unless the table is full and I'm far away from him position-wise), and finding tables between $50 and $60 pots.

I generally raise a limper when in position any A-broadway, KQ, KJ, KTs, QJs, and any pair 77 and up. What should I add to that? I'll limp behind unsuited broadway hands and smaller pairs, hoping the blinds will come along. This may be a source of my problems.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just depends on the limpers/blinds etc.

[Grisgra]

I'll give it a shot, but there's a CRUCIAL piece of information you left out -- how many 5/10 6max tables you're playing at once. Because you imply that you're struggling I will make the foolish assumption that you're not stupid enough to be 4+ tabling here, and will assume you're playing 1-3 tables at once. Because you say you've played the 15/30 game, I'll also make the assumption that you have some justifiable confidence in your postflop skills.

VP$IP_________________________22.0576
--On the low end. If you're playing 4+ tables, this is probably okay, if you're just starting out, it's okay, but optimal for 5/10 6-max is closer to 26-27% IMO.

VP$IP from SB_________________30.1548
--You could probably do a little more limping, again, assuming you have reads on your opponents and play well postflop. On loose-passive tables there's no reason a good player can't have this around 40%.

Folded SB to Steal____________84.4857
--ok

Folded BB to Steal____________61.2172
--eh, mine was ~40%, all depends on how good you are postflop.

Steal Attempts________________27.2889
--Don't be such a pussy [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Get this up to 30-35%.

PFR%__________________________14.3255
--See above! This is a little low. This ain't a full ring game, raise it up! Seriously, this being below 15% is a leak.

Rake paid_____________________4104.5000
--Why do people keep adding this to stats posts? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] What am I supposed to say, "You're paying too much rake, start paying less."?

Folded BB to Steal HU:______57.14
--UGH. Make this closer to 30%. I hope that you NEVER fold to a SB open-raise unless you know that your opponent is a complete and total utter rock and you have 72o.

Aggression Factor:
Preflop:_____________________1.41
Flop:________________________3.06
Turn:________________________3.20
River:_______________________1.83
Total:_______________________2.11
--These look very good.

Position:
_______VP$IP_____PFR%_________RFI%
Btn:__23.27)_____20.45______12.54
1:____20.62______18.76______14.18
2:____20.11______17.62______14.54
3:____17.92______15.41______14.09
BB:___19.00_______5.31______0.0
SB:___30.15______11.70______5.72
--I notice two things. First, you don't seem to respect position quite enough -- your VP$IP in early position is about the same as in late position. I'd play a few more hands from the button, and actually a few less UTG, I think. I think your SB PFR is also a little low, but maybe that's because you're not playing as many hands as I think you should. Raise more first in, and 3-bet from the SB against those iffy button steal-raises when you've got half-decent hands if you think the BB will fold.

In sum, I think that while your postflop aggression and probably play is on-target (though I wish you had given your folds-to-river-bet), preflop you're a little too tight in the blinds, and (and I realize this is a bit of a contradiction) don't respect position enough from the non-blind spots.

So yes, I'm recommending a little more respect for position when you're not a blind, and a little less respect for it when you are a blind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Just because of that equity thing, I guess, and because at least it's worked for me -- and because on the loose-passive tables I think the equity thing outweighs in many cases the position problem. On more aggressive tables, that's probably not the case.

Okay, there's my advice, take it for whatever you think it might be worth. I'm sure that it's at least 75% correct, though which parts . . . hopefully someone else can help out there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Oh, your BB/100? Well you know that 25k hands is a tiny sample size. You seem to play well postflop (at least, aggression-wise), are a little tight preflop, I'll guess 1 BB/100, maybe 1.5BB/100, but maybe as good as 2BB/100 with great postlop play. I don't think you're aggressive enough preflop, or play sufficient hands, to be more than a 2BB/100 with these stats unless you're getting lucky. If you've broken even over the last 25k hands . . . well these aren't 0BB/100 stats unless you really suck postflop, which I doubt. So if that's happened, I think it's just a bad run of cards.

Gist is that except for being playing kind of tight from the blinds, and not stealing quite often enough, your stats look pretty good.

[Michael Davis]

Nice, thorough post. I am tighter than you from the SB but that is wrong I'm sure. However, I do think that folding your BB to a steal attempt by the SB 30% of the time is too much. I play almost every hand except non-suited low card crap.

-Michael

[krishanleong]

Have you datamined at all? Do you use playerview/gametime? I have a 5/t database available for free at www.pokerhandhistories.com It helps to identify known tags.

FWIW your winrate could be damn near anthing with so few hands.

Krishan