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Old 04-30-2005, 11:01 AM
Munga30 Munga30 is offline
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Default Is it possible for me to pick an interesting hand to post?

Or am I lacking in that certain something that makes for good discussion?

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Table was nice, somewhat loosey and not too aggressive. Villian is 44/8 preflop, after which he has 1.3 agg and sees showdowns at a 44% clip. He's also been table coaching and berating players a bit. Is this the right way to play him? Should I follow through on the river?

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks

Is the question here so easy that I shouldn't bother posting hands?
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:05 AM
brazilio brazilio is offline
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Default Re: Is it possible for me to pick an interesting hand to post?

I'm raising preflop. What's the reason for raising the turn and checking through the river again? I still don't think I've read a good explanation when it's proper to be doing that.
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: Is it possible for me to pick an interesting hand to post?

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What's the reason for raising the turn and checking through the river again? I still don't think I've read a good explanation when it's proper to be doing that.

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In this hand...

If hero calls the turn, then calls the river, he puts 2 BB in, right?

If hero raises the turn, and checks the river, he also puts 2 BBs in.


But, the latter has folding equity vs the bettor, AND lets hero push out a player behind him. (and, of course opens to a 3-bet... but a 3-bet = we're dead/close to it normally anyway)

FWIW, Im not giving an opinion on the raise, just what it does in this situation.
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: Is it possible for me to pick an interesting hand to post?

it's your avatar.
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Old 04-30-2005, 12:08 PM
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I would have raised preflop, but otherwise I like it so far.

SB's turn bet (following the flop checkraise) certainly looks like it could have been motivated by the absence of a third diamond on the turn. Of course, you could be behind, but facing MP2 with two cold has its merits, especially if you are ahead and MP2 is on a draw.

Annoyingly, if SB 3-bets, I think tossing your outs versus K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] x [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or whatever else he has is probably best. (Well, I don't know. I guess it could be 73s or K7 or K3. But, fortunately, it didn't come to that, and you weren't faced with the decision.)

I wish I knew what was best on the river. I think SB could easily just have a worse 9, and he might call with that. All the same, what I'd most likely actually do is check behind.
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Old 04-30-2005, 12:15 PM
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it's your avatar.

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What's your excuse? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 04-30-2005, 12:40 PM
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Um. . . his avatar rules?
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Old 04-30-2005, 02:10 PM
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IMO this is a check behind. He's not very aggressive post-flop, and he lead into you on the turn when the K hit. If he was merely betting the scare card, I think he'd have folded to your raise, but he see an awful lot of SD's....hmmmmmm. OK, I changed my mind. I think I bet and expext to be shown a worse 9 often enough to make the bet profitable.
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Old 05-01-2005, 07:27 PM
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I check behind. SB tables Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG.

I will try harder to find this raise preflop. Obviously somewhat table dependent, but how low do you go? Is A7s acceptable in this particular spot?

I find the betting arguments to be a little more persuasive than the checking arguments. I also think this guy would have called with it because of his table coaching. After showdown, he chats "wild, just wild," to which I reply, "I had a good feeling about that hand." My goofy comebacks need work too.

Avatar suckage duly noted.
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