AKs 5-10 6max -- Is This ALWAYS Wrong?

KramerTM · #1 09-08-2005, 05:41 PM

I was planning on raising the river until the Q came out and had a good feeling that it made him a better hand. Should I just raise the turn here and not get too tricky? Does anyone even raise the flop here?

My thoughts were... if it was a pure bluff, raising the turn might lose me 1BB, and raisng the flop will lose me 2BBs. If it was KQ, unless a Q hits the river, I make the same amount raising the turn or the river, and probably lose 1BB by raising the flop. If it was KJ, I lose the same out raising the turn or river, and maybe even more if he smooth calls a raise from me on the flop.

As you can see, I'm confused about this hand.

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB.

wackjob · #2 09-08-2005, 05:49 PM

Raise the turn always.

Kyle · #3 09-08-2005, 05:53 PM

If i play the hand like you did I will raise the river and folding to a three bet is easy. Normally though I will just go ahead and raise the flop hoping to get three bet from a weaker king. This is a draw happy board so I dont want hime to see any street cheaply. There is a time to wait until the river to raise but I dont like it here. If I am going to wait to the river to raise I want the villian to be outright bluffing or will fold a hand that will continue betting if I raise on an earlier street

balkii · #4 09-08-2005, 05:54 PM

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Raise the turn always.

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Care to explain?

balkii · #5 09-08-2005, 05:55 PM

nd had a good feeling that it made him a better hand.

This is pretty weak tight. The Q isnt a very scary card, I'd have raised the river as planned.

wackjob · #6 09-08-2005, 05:59 PM

You have TP/TK why aren't you raising? There are NO scare cards in this entire hand.

KramerTM · #7 09-08-2005, 06:08 PM

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You have TP/TK why aren't you raising? There are NO scare cards in this entire hand.

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The Q was a scare card. I put Villain on KQ or KJ here. I don't see him calinga 3-bet PF with KT or any worse K.

wackjob · #8 09-08-2005, 06:12 PM

Q is NOT A SCARE CARD!!! A scare card is a card that will complete a flush or straight, not a card that "might give him 2pair" because EVERY card is then a scare card - every card could make him a set or 2pair. If this type of card scares you, I would take up go-fish rather than poker.

SomethingClever · #9 09-08-2005, 06:14 PM

Against some players, I'm raising the flop; against others, the turn.

But I'm definitely raising somewhere.

DMBFan23 · #10 09-08-2005, 08:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Q is NOT A SCARE CARD!!! A scare card is a card that will complete a flush or straight, not a card that "might give him 2pair" because EVERY card is then a scare card - every card could make him a set or 2pair. If this type of card scares you, I would take up go-fish rather than poker.

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come on man he 3 bet pf, the Q is scarier than the 3s.