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Old 12-19-2005, 06:40 PM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

I have my reasons, but I don't call here (maybe that's a mistake for me?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t2272)
Hero (t1675)
UTG (t1600)
MP (t2461)
CO (t1002) <font color="white"> go_player Qd 2d </font>
Button (t990)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO raises t1002 (allin), <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t802.

I'm posting this purely for my benefit. You have to put villain on maniac (+2.3% $EV) for this to look like a great call. Perhaps I don't make this judgement enough. In two hands, we're at the next level.

Perhaps I don't give suited aces enough credit. This is a much easier fold with A7o. You lose approximately 0.6% $EV in this difference.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

maniac is a pretty tight range for someone with 5x BB on the cutoff. 2.3% is a ridiculously huge amount of EV to gain.

Also even if you put them on loose you are making +.6%. I dont know how many times I have to say it, but if you are folding in a spot where you know your EV is at least +.6% ($11 in the $215s, a riodiculously large sum of money that is usually about 1/2-1/3 of someones total EV for a tournament) then you have no chance to do well at sit and gos.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

Don't forget he plays 215s and you (and I) play 33s.

CO's range will on average be larger in the 215s than the 33s and lower for the most part IMO.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

With only 5BB and 6 players left, CO should be pushing anything remotely reasonable. Looks like a pretty easy call to me.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

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I dont know how many times I have to say it, but if you are folding in a spot where you know your EV is at least +.6% then you have no chance to do well at sit and gos.

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Hey settle down. You're not supposed to respond for at least an hour. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

Ive forgotten about that rule...I like to respond faster [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

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maniac is a pretty tight range for someone with 5x BB on the cutoff. 2.3% is a ridiculously huge amount of EV to gain.

Also even if you put them on loose you are making +.6%. I dont know how many times I have to say it, but if you are folding in a spot where you know your EV is at least +.6% ($11 in the $215s, a riodiculously large sum of money that is usually about 1/2-1/3 of someones total EV for a tournament) then you have no chance to do well at sit and gos.

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Um, isn't .6% of $215 equal to $1.29? Or are all those numbers a percentage of the total buyins of all players?
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

The prize pool of the $215s isnt $215 but is actually $2000. Total prize pool is whats important, not buyin.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

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maniac is a pretty tight range for someone with 5x BB on the cutoff. 2.3% is a ridiculously huge amount of EV to gain.

Also even if you put them on loose you are making +.6%. I dont know how many times I have to say it, but if you are folding in a spot where you know your EV is at least +.6% ($11 in the $215s, a riodiculously large sum of money that is usually about 1/2-1/3 of someones total EV for a tournament) then you have no chance to do well at sit and gos.

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I knew you'd do your homework before you responded/posted. If this hand were A7o, and you put your opponent on loose, $EV number is 0.0%. Out of curiosity, how much would this affect ur decision?
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Scuba_Curtains: I don\'t think I call enough

I would call for sure...there is no way I expect my opponent to be as tight as the "loose" range.
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