JJ vs Flush Draw

smonahan · #1 07-15-2005, 01:28 AM

This was a hand that I played tonight that I was unsure of. When I sat down at the table the game was very loose, but had tightened up while I was playing.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 3-bets, 2 folds, Button caps, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Lots of action preflop here in comparison to what happened in previous hands. GSHE says to raise JJ but to fold on a raise and reraise. It doesn't mention anything about when you raise and get reraised so I was a little unsure if I should call or fold.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

I like the low cards here, but the two clubs makes me a little nervous. The two calls suggested to me that I'm up against players with either two overcards or a straight draw. My thinking was that one of them would have raised with AA, KK or QQ.

Turn: (8.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

This is probably where I was the most unsure. Is betting here a good idea? I was hoping that they had two overcards, or were slowplaying with a higher pocket pair, and would fold being afraid I made my flush. Should I check instead and see what they do?

River: (11.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

The king doesn't scare me too much because I'm thinking that two overcards would have folded on the turn. Should I check/call here instead?

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

eviljeff · #2 07-15-2005, 01:39 AM

folding pf for an additional 2 bets would be a huge mistake.

this is how I see it:
flop - these are great cards for you. don't be scared of the clubs, the backdoor flush possibility strengthens your hand. bet.
turn - think about their range of hands. this likely didn't improve anyone. bet.
river - crap. check and call one bet, fold for two.

Eeegah · #3 07-15-2005, 01:40 AM

Looks perfectly fine to me. You can't check the turn because it just begs them to take a shot at you, and you're left wondering if you should fold your overpair (hint: no).

On the river, you can't let a single overcard scare you; he might have it but odds are he doesn't. It's a bummer with the donkraise, but the pot's large, so you just have to bonk your head and call. the raise. I wouldn't be surprised if he had though, maybe AKo with the king a club.

mmmmmbrother · #4 07-15-2005, 01:51 AM

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river - crap. check and call one bet, fold for two.

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dozer · #5 07-15-2005, 02:28 AM

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The king doesn't scare me too much because I'm thinking that two overcards would have folded on the turn.

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I really doubt loose players would fold 2 overcards on the turn. Even tight players will call and see the river in a pot this size, especially if they have a high club.

SoftcoreRevolt · #6 07-15-2005, 02:44 AM

Preflop, Flop and Turn are all good.

I just check call the river here. It is VERY rare that you are going to see a river raise bluff here with 3 clubs on the board and an overcard. Expect to see AK sticking around here.