Raymer and BIG STACK poker...

Daniel Hoerr · #1 07-12-2005, 12:11 PM

So we all saw Greg put on a CLINIC last year in the main event when it comes to playing with a big stack. The final table was filled with little known pros and amateurs (besides Harrington) and Greg was able to shine as he worked his way to the finish line.

Will <font color="red">(edit: WOULD)</font> he be able to play the same game against the "big names" who are preceived to be world class players that are left in the field <font color="red">were it</font> to come down to more of a star-studded final table?? Ivey? Lederer? Juanda? Matusow? JC Tran?

Discuss.

Phill S · #2 07-12-2005, 12:16 PM

You of course assume that anyone named, including Greg, will make the final stages. Lotta way to go till the finish line.

Phill

Paluka · #3 07-12-2005, 12:17 PM

At the final table last year the other players repeatedly got all their chips in as favorites against Greg preflop and Greg sucked out. His stack going into the final table was impressive, but his final table play was nothing special.

NYCNative · #4 07-12-2005, 12:20 PM

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At the final table last year the other players repeatedly got all their chips in as favorites against Greg preflop and Greg sucked out. His stack going into the final table was impressive, but his final table play was nothing special.

[/ QUOTE ]You wanna name all of those hands? I can think of one or two. His play was exactly what one should do with a big stack. You also ignore the fact that he was taking millions of dollars in chips literally with his play because ESPN doesn't show the multitude of times the table folded to his many aggressive raises. Raymer played just fine.

Paluka · #5 07-12-2005, 12:23 PM

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At the final table last year the other players repeatedly got all their chips in as favorites against Greg preflop and Greg sucked out. His stack going into the final table was impressive, but his final table play was nothing special.

[/ QUOTE ]You wanna name all of those hands? I can think of one or two. His play was exactly what one should do with a big stack. You also ignore the fact that he was taking millions of dollars in chips literally with his play because ESPN doesn't show the multitude of times the table folded to his many aggressive raises. Raymer played just fine.

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I'm not talking about what was shown on ESPN. I watched the entire final table multiple times on pokerstars where you saw every hand. And I never said he played badly, I just didn't think it was anything unbelievable. He played decent poker and got lucky a few times. I think Greg is a tremendous player, and I thought that before he won the WSOP. But you Raymer groupies have to chill out.

pshaw019 · #6 07-12-2005, 12:28 PM

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I'm not talking about what was shown on ESPN. I watched the entire final table multiple times on pokerstars where you saw every hand. And I never said he played badly, I just didn't think it was anything unbelievable. He played decent poker and got lucky a few times. I think Greg is a tremendous player, and I thought that before he won the WSOP. But you Raymer groupies have to chill out.

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I don't understand. How did you watch the final table on pokerstars?

Cancer Merchant · #7 07-12-2005, 12:32 PM

Pokerstars typically has a live "broadcast" of the final table. It looks like an MTT table, with the names of the WSOP players on it. As bets/showdowns are made on the real final table, the Stars table is updated.

adios · #8 07-12-2005, 01:05 PM

I'm glad you backtracked from your original post where you implied in my mind that it was more a matter of luck than skill in that Greg "repeatedly" had the worst hand and sucked out. We could quibble what "repeatedly" means in the context of what you wrote. Hey I don't think we should be handing out any victories yet either but my impression from your first post in the thread was that his final table performance and ultimate victory was more a matter of luck than skill. Perhaps the lucky part was playing a relatively inexperienced player in a heads up confrontation. Greg stated that he was surprised that the heads up battle ended so quickly. Williams had a lot of chips compared to the blinds and FWIW could have made things a lot tougher for Greg.

Paluka · #9 07-12-2005, 01:09 PM

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Hey I don't think we should be handing out any victories yet either but my impression from your first post in the thread was that his final table performance and ultimate victory was more a matter of luck than skill.

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The main reason he won was that he had acquired a huge stack before getting to the final table. I would guess this was done through a combination of luck and skill.

NYCNative · #10 07-12-2005, 01:35 PM

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But you Raymer groupies have to chill out.

[/ QUOTE ]You made the following claim:[ QUOTE ]
At the final table last year the other players repeatedly got all their chips in as favorites against Greg preflop and Greg sucked out.

[/ QUOTE ]I asked you to name them. Either substantiate your claim or retract. This has nothing to do with being a "groupie," it has to do with YOUR claim.