KJo from UTG at 2/4?

[shant]

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Wow. And I thought I was tight. I'd switch tables before I folded KJo at 2/4. I haven't played 2/4 in a couple of months but I can't imagine its changed that much. I raise with this hand in this spot a lot.

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I fold this UTG. I can see open-raising it in MP or limping behind some limpers in LP but I don't raise it UTG. KJs, KQo and AJo I would raise UTG.

[Schmed]

I can't speak for anyone else but imo that hand is total trash and can not be +ev from an ep. I would only limp with that in the co or button.

If it's suited I raise it from that position.

If I felt some undying loyalty to a hand that will get me 2nd place more times than first that I had to play it utg I would have to raise it up myself and play it for a raise...but that is bound to get you in to trouble...

kjo utg all the way to utg+5 I'm pretty much folding that hand every time...never calling a raise with that hand....

[brettbrettr]

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kjo utg all the way to utg+5 I'm pretty much folding that hand every time...never calling a raise with that hand....

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I think this is NUTS. No, I'm never calling a raise either. But not raising a loose limper on occasion or open-raising is MP is too tight, IMO.

[Nick Royale]

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kjo utg all the way to utg+5 I'm pretty much folding that hand every time...never calling a raise with that hand....

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I think this is NUTS. No, I'm never calling a raise either. But not raising a loose limper on occasion or open-raising is MP is too tight, IMO.

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My standard is starting to raise in MP1. Depending on table reads I might raise in UTG+2, but only VERY rarely earlier than that. (assuming 10-handed)

[brazilio]

From what I remember in an EV post related to somebody doing some TTH sims on KQo and AJo, they were +EV both limping and raising, but significantly more +EV raising. I can only assume this is similar for KJo. I almost never limp KJo. I'm also not playing KJo until MP1 or isolating a loose limper in LP.

[ckessel]

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AJo and KQ are less clear for me and I still waffle on what to do UTG with them.

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You don't waffle a fold, I presume?

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I waffle fold/raise. I don't want to limp since with KQ I'd like drive out small aces, with AJ I want to drive out Kx and Qx types hands so if my J falls it's safer.

But, if I raise with them likely callers/raisers are pockets or hands that dominate me. I end up flipping back and forth depending on how aggressive the table seems to be. The more passive, the more likely I am to raise them. Aggressive tables seeing 3 bets PF alot then I likely fold as KQo just doesn't feel good enough to constantly be seeing 3-bets preflop out of position.

[Nick Royale]

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I waffle fold/raise. I don't want to limp since with KQ I'd like drive out small aces, with AJ I want to drive out Kx and Qx types hands so if my J falls it's safer.

But, if I raise with them likely callers/raisers are pockets or hands that dominate me. I end up flipping back and forth depending on how aggressive the table seems to be. The more passive, the more likely I am to raise them. Aggressive tables seeing 3 bets PF alot then I likely fold as KQo just doesn't feel good enough to constantly be seeing 3-bets preflop out of position.

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AJo/KQo is definately +EV to play from UTG. Don't waffle those hands away.